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10/3/2007 8:27 AM
 

That last thread was the thread that made a lot of people lose a ton of respect for Nina. It was unfortunate, because she has a lot to offer. 


cptkoi wrote

Do you think 10's of thousands of IIS servers would all be suffering the same fate if it were an IIS issue? 

No, because 100's of thousands of IIS servers have competent and knowledgable administrators that know how to properly configure their servers.

 
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10/3/2007 9:11 AM
 

Ed I am not quite sure where that comment came from. 

In all my time, I have never had a single person come to me and tell me that they have 'lost respect' for my comments.  In fact when I posted on my blogs, I spoke in detail with Cathal about it and as someone involved in security, and as part of the core team at the time, it was never raised, nor was I questioned or asked to remove that post or I would have.  I sought advice from people I respected prior to making comments public.  But let's get real about this, that module caused problems.  And less than a month ago, it caused problems for me as I acquired a handful of clients who had been sitting on server, with that exact module - like a time bomb, not patched, even though I was assured it had been and unfortunately didn't check as I trusted the information to be true, and honestly who would think that anyone would knowinlgly not patch somethinng if they knew there was such a problem..

..... Less than 1 week on my server and it was hacked.. I was furious...it still lives to haunt us.. and it was like reliving the whole thing over again, but this time, due to changes in our configuration, it was very difficult for them to do mass damage.

My server is doing over 250gb per month in traffic, with hundreds of dnn sites, and I've managed to keep it clean until that moment of 'trust' let me down. I have a list of modules that will never see the light of day on my server due to their performance and in this case security, but that's just doing due diligence and ensure my servers continue to perform as the client base grows.

My guess as to why these sites get hacked are because they are running the modules, or the control panels that get hack attacks on a regular basis. When using a control panel, when one site gets hit, you can bet your bottom dollar every one will be, since often it's the control panels that have the vulnerability too, not just IIS.   It happens and in spite of it happening, I've never blamed the dnn product, just the crap module that caused the problem in the first place.

In spite of my 'tough love' attitude, I've still worked hard at participating in the community but at a different level and certainly don't feel any 'loss of respect'... more like sour grapes from some people, but hey that's life isn't it.

On a lighter note Ed I'd like to say thanks for the .... she has a lot to offer...  which means you're talking in the present tense so not all is lost is it..  I've just released my new dnnskins site - http://www.dnnskins.com - all the free skins I had access to - tested, installed, updated, packaged, available for preview and available for download and will be sending out email to the culled list of over 60,000 subscribers (with duplicates removed)  I lost about 12,000 in the purge, but I still think that's a respectable number of subscribers who have logged into my sites, downloaded something for nothing to learn from and hopefully make less mistakes than I did. 

But thanks for the positive note... always nice to read..

 Nina Meiers
 Lots of free skins.. Really there is  


Nina Meiers My Little Website
If it's on DNN, I fix, build, deploy, support,skin, host, design, consult, implement, integrate and done since 2003.
Who am I? Just a city chic, having a crack at organic berry farming.. and creating awesome websites.
 
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10/3/2007 9:31 AM
 

I don't want to hijack the thread. But the exchange bewteen you and Richard in that thread was what I was referring to. What I and a lot of others saw was one person being courteous and professional, and another one not so much.

But as you said, thats the past, this is now. I love the work you do and the stuff/advice you offer.

"Tough Love" is a funny thing. 9 times out of 10 it makes the deliverer look bad.

 
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10/4/2007 3:32 PM
 

cptkoi wrote

Do you think 10's of thousands of IIS servers would all be suffering the same fate if it were an IIS issue? 

It's neither a DNN nor an IIS issue.  It's an IIS administration issue.  If anyone or any app can write to your root folder, you have either the wrong NTFS permissions on the site or a password that someone else knows.  It's also possible you have not patched an aolder IIS version.  And if you have a problem with Default.htm being higher in the default document list than DNN's Default.aspx, then you have a poor IIS admin who hasn't edited the default document list appropriately.  Since DNN only needs Default.aspx, you don't need anything else in that list.

For help on securing IIS, see the forums at www.iis.net.  And start by flattening the box, reinstalling from scratch and only restoring known good data.  Reuse none of the passwords.

Jeff

 
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10/4/2007 3:54 PM
 

jeff@zina.com wrote

It's neither a DNN nor an IIS issue.  It's an IIS administration issue. 

A little bit of an oxymoron there Jeff. They are one in the same. When I referred to it being an IIS issue, I wasn't referring that it was a hole in IIS specifically.

And if there is a problem with permissions allowing someone to place files in the root, removing/reordering the files from the default list will do nothing, because it won't prevent whomever from uploading a defaced default.aspx file.

Any rookie hack fresh out of high school could just rename index.html to default.aspx and get the same effect once they recognized that their inclusion of index.html does nothing to the site.

 
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