One VERY angry and VERY frustrated newb here.

I hate CMS's.

I hate Microsoft.

I hate DNN.

There. Done venting. Mostly.

Feel free to open I.E. (It doesn't matter WHICH &^%$#^*&  version) and go to http://www.davesvisions.com/

See the table that is PROPERLY CENTERED in the Top Pane, with the text I added to denote a future "Flash Object Here".

Now open Mozilla Firefox (I have tested 1.5 and 2.0), go to the same address, and notice how for SOME STRANGE REASON, it is "Left Justified"!!!

Same symptom in the default editor for DNN (I am working with the latest version of DNN).
Doesn't matter if I use the editor to create the table, or compose the HTML for it myself. In Mozilla it's wrong, in Splinternet Exploiter, it's "correct".

I host a few sites for clients, at a Linux-based hosting reseller. When I look at the stats, I see that 60-80% of visitors are using MOZILLA FIREFOX.

I can NOT deal with this CRAP. PLEASE HELP.

I cannot for the life of me understand what in the world could cause a problem like this. The HTML output from DNN shows a centered table. This is really basic man. If this  is the result of some stupid browser war....

Microsoft =

Hi Jeff.

Thank you for your reply.

At about 6 this morning, I completed a Flash, and inserted it.

The problem seems to have gone away, but, if all I had wanted was a table there, I would have been plenty perturbed.

Competitors? There should not be browser wars. What does MS care who's browser is being used, if it weren't for the information they get to sift out of surfers? Same goes for any of the others. As I said, Mozilla is extremely popular right now, and between MS and Adobe, I believe there is a big push to break Mozilla functionality, and get "market share" back. Anyone who seeks MS as a solution takes the risk of being corralled into solutions that aren't necessarily all that great. Almost everything a person would want to do on the web (functionality-wise) has been done, sometimes with very elegant solutions, and sometimes not. I mean, what the heck is wrong with JS, CGI, PHP and HTML? The "web" is being turned into a gigantic "Rube Goldberg Machine", and CMS's don't really simplify a whole lot for anyone, except a few very capable experts, who know the particular system, and can work with it, IMHO.

I have messed around with a few CMS's, and it seems they all have similar problems, forums full of help requests for quirky problems, a handful of die hard committed experts (thank god for them), and many unresolved issues. And DNN is up to 4.9 now?

I admit that to me, it's a bit of a quandry... I would like to see standardization at some point, but WHO'S!!!???
All these complicated new backend software solutions that require knowledge of fifteen different programming languages don't really help, and are not really a benefit to those who would like to use the power of the web for their own personal benefit and gain.

So, THERE! lol

Thanks again for the reply.

P.S. I began to supect that the problem was most likely a difference between the way MS and Mozilla render CSS, but, in a CMS, good luck finding out which file it is!

I think in future if you want help from people, you might start out by asking nicely.  If you start your post with attacks on the very platform that you want help with, you're not going to get many responses.

Microsoft isn't evil.  They aren't out to destroy things and make life intentionally difficult.  Yes, they have used (and will continue to use) their market power to try and increase their profits - if you denounced every company that did this as evil, you wouldn't end up with anywhere left to buy things.  Certainly not Apple or Google, at any rate.  Microsoft is a large succesful company, which on occasion release good products and bad products.  Microsoft has affected the productivity of the entire planet in a positive way by producing low cost, high value software and ubitiquous standards for  the interchange of information.  It made it's founder so rich he can afford to donate the entire GDP of a small country every year to charitable acts.   You'd be hard pressed to argue the Microsoft has had a net negative effect on the world.

CMS products, and specifically DNN, are also not evil.  Yes, it's more complicated than a plain html site, but it produces far more benefits than the drawbacks of complexity.  If DNN was a step backwards, it wouldn't be so popular amongst professionals who build websites for a living.

If you want to learn to develop websites, you're going to have to learn browser quirks and how to code around them.  As Jeff says, they're not going away any time soon.  Web developers railing against browser quirks is like fishermen railing against the tide.  Sure it might be fun and make you feel important but ultimately it's not going to change anything.  Test, test, test and retest.  Research and learn.   Ask politely next time, post code snippets of what you've already tried, and you'd have an inbox full of suggestions.