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2/3/2009 12:43 AM
 

Slavic Kozyuk wrote

... the green hosting issue is a marketing gimmick in my opinion ...  

Bottom line is, anyone can buy a $10K carbon offset credit and include it on the marketing info to justify higher costs for products and services. Yes, there are some companies that install solar panels or use geothermal cooling, but those are few and usually cannot provide the capacity necessary to accommodate the demand.

not sure how much further off track it's possible to be with the whole issue of green hosting

there are power companies in existence who source 100% of their energy from renewable sources - wind, hydro, solar, geothermal etc

so it's not actually that difficult to run a green hosting company - you minimise your use of technology, offset your purchases, and run your entire organisation on power from an accredited source

perhaps this is not the way things run in the USA - I don't know - but I'm pretty sure that most of the rest of the world has caught up with the idea that it is possible to purchase all of your energy requirements from renewable sources

i find that most of the objections to the issue of 'green hosting' come from hosting companies who are not prepared to shoulder the financial cost of redeploying their services in line with the basic principles of sustainability

also, i admit, it's a great deal easier for a relatively new company to come into the market as 'green' given that they are able to start from scratch

still, marketing gimmick or not, hosting companies ignore the clamour for green hosting at their peril

this response is certainly not leveled at the previous post, but more of a response borne of frustration with the cynicism of entrenched world views

and possibly not the right place to be making these remarks (although I am sure there can be nothing wrong with healthy debate about such things anywhere).

 
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2/3/2009 7:23 AM
 

 I'll back you up on this one Slavic.  in the datacenter business, "green" doesn't really make financial sense at all.  When people offer "green" hosting, I've often wondered if they actually really did buy the carbon offset credits.  At PowerDNN, we spend just over $10,000 each month just on electricity (if you think that's expensive, you should see our bandwidth bill!and, even though we're a big name in the DotNetNuke world, compared to some of the other companies out there, we are not even a dot on the map.  I can't imagine the $$$ it would cost for Google to go green.

That all being said, I'm not opposed to going green, however, if the government wants to incentivize companies to go green, then what they need to do is make it cheaper than the alternatives (hopefully not by making everything else more expensive!).  In today's economic downturn with many companies even struggling to make payroll, I would be very surprised if "green" is holding the supposed weight that it once did.

 

 
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2/3/2009 8:18 AM
 

While going "green" doesn't always make sense for businesses, or personal for that matter, sometimes it's not always about the money.  Justification is a wonderful thing. There is a market that will pay for "greener services", not because it make a bottom-line look better, it's because their moral compass tells them it's the right thing to do.



In this economic turn-down, as Tony stated, it's a very tough call. Where is that line in the sand that separates or business responsibilities and moral obligation? Also to Tony's point, I'm not certain that looking to our governments is really the answer. Are the tax credits a great bonus? Sure they are, but so is doing to the right thing. After all, ultimately we are our governments. I'd be very curious to see what percentage of DNN folks would plunk down a little more of their green to be "green."





 
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2/3/2009 12:57 PM
 

CSmith wrote
 

There is a market that will pay for "greener services", not because it make a bottom-line look better, it's because their moral compass tells them it's the right thing to do.

There is that market, and it's big.  Unfortunately, most of it is foolish as well.  "Green" comes in stages and has no specific dfinition.  Buying carbon credits is one way.  Buying power from renewable sources is another.  But buying power that's from a renewable source and wasting it is still "green" to many marketers.  And to be truly green, you have to use recycled products, which could include energy.  After all, buying power from a wind farm isn't  really "green" since the manufacturing of many of the wind generator parts as well as the system to get it to the data center certainly isn't green.  And the power lines to distribute the "green" power inevitably have transformers filled with PCBs, one of the least "green" products we still use regularly.

There are very few truly green options for IT, though they are getting better.  100% recyclable systems are starting to come out now.  No-waste plants are being built in several industries.  But for web hosting a truly green solution isn't there yet.  And probably won't be for a decade or more.

So go as green as you desire.  Just don't fool yourself into thinking you're doing everything possible.

Jeff

 
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2/3/2009 8:22 PM
 

I agree for sure. The whole 'green" thing is sort of a gimick. I always wondered; where does the money go for all those carbon credits? I find that most stuff certified green are really just plain products and services. The only difference I can find so far is in the price.

 
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