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3/29/2010 7:55 PM
 

Well, Joe, sadly that is the exact point. Founders of DNN are not the decision makers any more. We should all face it, and I think the SC deal was the first hint for that (well, as current perspective, founding DNN Corp was actually the first step), the interest of the module developers, SIs and others who use DNN CE is not the same as DNN Corp. I would even say they directly conflict on some points.
One should be naive to doubt who will dictate the future of DNN.
A business like my company, as custom DNN module developer and DNN system integrator, which I bet most of DNN professionals are alike, is now facing a major change of its future and should consider its strategy. Not to mention module vendors like Will and Peter Donker.
We should all realize that this is not an issue of moral values or commitment of DNN Corp to the community but strictly a business matter.
Yes, a lot of people contributed to make DNN what it is now, some of them contributed serious part of it without being paid for, but that is life and the few who righteously benefit from the current situation made the right move from their point of view. I applaud them for taking care of their matters so well, but the rest of us should look forward and plan their strategy according to this change.
It is a good time now to start planning since, as Will and others said, the future is of DNN CE is absolutely not clear to say the least.

In any case I salute every one who made DNN such a good platform and let me build my business around it to this point.
Thank you all,
Yehuda


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3/29/2010 7:57 PM
 

Joe,


There is nothing wrong with DNN Corp growing a business.  The point I was trying to make in my post, which you also noted, DNN Corp can't please everyone.  I don't think anyone is questioning the commitment that you, Shaun, Scott, Nik or any other core team member has made.  I don't mean any disrespect, by saying this, but this isn't about those commitments anymore.  This is about business.  I think nearly everyone that has participated on this thread represents some kind of business interest. 



Why can’t DNN Corp come right out and say what's next on their agenda?  Why can't they define this "complete solution" we keep hearing about when it comes to DNN Pro?  I still don't think the original question that was the start of this post has been answered.  Why was the Xepient IP acquisition a good thing?  We've heard that it was a good business transaction and that it made sense for both parties, but what does that actually mean for DNN Pro?



Believe it or not, I have no problem with DNN Corp being a module builder.  I know it may not be in their best interest, but it doesn't bother me as long as we know the intentions.  I'm not excited about the idea of having to compete with DNN Corp, but I know it's a possibility.  Just to be clear, I said module builder, not vendor, but they could be a module vendor too.  I know there has been some confusion between selling actual modules in the market versus building them and including them in the Core.  DNN Corp is building modules, how they distribute them doesn't matter.  My point is, I think the intentions of DNN Pro have become very blurry and the Community deserves some clarification. 



Personally, I find the big surprise announcements that have come from DNN Corp over the past year very stressful.  Maybe all the questions above can't be answered publicly.  Maybe a communication channel already exists or is being created that can answer these questions.



Keep in mind that some of these decisions that vendors need to make based upon DotNetNuke Development aren't entirely selfish.  Here is a real, current day scenario.  We have customers asking for site wide rating and comments.  I know this is in the works for the platform but can't get any straight answers about implementation.  With a little bit of knowledge, developers could be in a position to support that feature as soon as it's released.  This also means I get to tell my customer base why they should upgrade to the latest version. 



 


Will Morgenweck
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3/29/2010 8:08 PM
 

Like many in the community we spent countless hours the first 4 years of the project volunteering our time to make this project work.  That has not stopped just because we formed a company.  In fact many of us spend far more hours today than we ever did before.

Joe, I think you eat better at night now though.

You're getting rewarded significantly more than you were before, whereas many community contributors may not be. You are now getting access to the modules that other community members used to edit //sell//  buy but will no longer be able to and wonder how many others will just disappear from the market.  There is absolutely no guarantee this will not continue to happen as the precedence has been set.

How would it be if the 50 top community / integrator / developer members in DNN got together and decided to move towards another .net open source product?  What if they were concerned enough to think that within 2 years there would be no DNN community left to market to because the good modules were gone and their customer base was being marketed to by the DNNCorp encouraging them to purchase PE, get access to modules that were no longer available.  It would be devasting to the project and I urge people to think long and hard before taking this sort of action as they also have a customer base to support who use DNN and if the move was monetary and political, rather than if it was a lousy product, there seems to be so much more to lose for many.

I'm happy to talk to anyone who's not comfortable with this activity and assess what other options are available, even to the point of working with a team to bring in some competition with Snowcovered and generate an online sales environment that developers get more monetary benefits, more say with better control over the environment which many feel has been sold out.   It's another approach for developers to show they are unhappy, whereas at the moment, there is no where else to sell a module so when unhappy, what options do they have? Having the mothership growing, cooking and delivering the food can't always be healthy can it??  Perhaps we need more variety?

Please guys, why not look at other options here that can be used to bring about better balance in the system that makes it 'proactive' for those of us, the community, because what I am reading is that no matter what has been stated,DNN has turned into a commercial venture, there are stakeholders who expect returns and they have to look for solutions that will be suit the shareholders. It will not change, there is no indication that this decision will be reversed.   

I agree with Will, the last 12 months has been quite stressful and I have had to look at other products to offer clients which I loathe doing because I'm so heavily invested in DNN but the surprise element at times makes me feel that the community is completely disregarded and therefore our input now is no longer needed or required as you have the money behind you to do and act how you want.

Anyway - if anyone is interested in exploring the options of a competition to snowcovered because you feel too close to the source, ping me. I can't guarantee anything, but I can listen and I do have some excellent contact and a large clean list of active DNN people who might like to explore a new product.

Nina


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3/29/2010 8:29 PM
 

Nina,

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by looking at other options. If you are referring to other options for Snowcovered, I think you would need a pretty big marketing reach to make a difference. Many of us have been down that road before, including DNN Corp. I'm certainly interested in reaching more markets, but many of us taken that unsuccessful journey in the past.

I think DNN Corp knows how important this topic is to various stakeholders. While some of my comments on this post, twitter and emails to founders have been not exactly jovial, I still want to see some questions answered. I want to see DNN Corp stand by their original decision, but answer some questions at the same time.

 


Will Morgenweck
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DotNetNuke Corp.
 
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3/29/2010 10:55 PM
 
While many of us are still sponsoring DNN development, and now it looks like they are going back to Microsoft way... Hope that's not the direction DNN Corp is heading to...

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