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7/7/2010 4:15 PM
 

I've been using DNN since the beginning. I've built my web development and hosting business entirely around it in recent years. But, it hasn’t been easy to build a profitable business around DNN. The primary reason for this difficulty has little to do with DNN and lots to do with the module aftermarket.

I've been burned several times over the years because of poor standards and practices followed by module developers. The DNN community as a whole suffers because some module developers don't really know what they are doing or simply have poor business practices. Many developers are too immature to understand the need for stability in the module market in order to make DNN a viable business platform.

I'd like to admonish DNN Corp to establish some standards and practices module developers need to adhere to in order to be sold through Snowcovered to protect the DNN community and help stabilize the module aftermarket.

Perhaps I should preface this statement with a little background. I’ve been a software developer for 30 years, have owned development businesses, have been involved in several successful dotcom initiatives, have worked on projects for Microsoft, IBM, HP and many others throughout Silicon Valley. I’ve been a well paid strategic business consultant and have written for several tech magazines accurately predicting industry trends.

Now, let me give one example (or many potential ones) to illustrate the need for some standard practices among module developers. I was using Active Tabs on several client sites. Then, the developer pulled the module off the market with no forewarning. As a result, I had to find another solution and convert all my client sites over to it on my dime. First, if a vendor with an installed customer-base pulls their module, they should be required to release all rights to their source code to the market so other vendors could pick it up and continue supporting the installed client-base. Otherwise, we consumers pay the price for instability in the module market. I’ve had a string of such installed modules get pulled from the market in recent months. This involved weeks worth of work for which I could not be compensated. It's difficult to make a living when you have to spend weeks working on things without income.

Next, I chose Live Tabs as a replacement because it had the best reviews on Snowcovered of all the alternatives. After I purchased, installed it and began using it, I found that it was loading extremely slowly (about 20 times slower than Active Tabs had been using the very same data).

After it blew up on several production client sites recently and I went into the database to try to diagnose the error messages, I discovered that this developer had only one table with one field for this module. They simply dumped about 24K worth of data as XML into this field for each module instance. So, when the page loads, it downloads this 24K worth of XML data and then has to parse through it before displaying the tabs and data. This makes it extremely slow, difficult to diagnose problems, to support data integrity, to create adhoc queries and table joins, to leverage SSIS easily, to generate reporting services from, to integrate into other modules like XMOD Pro and many other issues (which some of my clients require).

Any way you look at it, this is just bad data management practices. I've tried reasoning with the developer about the problems but he insists that rather than him considering changing his poor programming practices that I should upgrade my server to solve the problem (which I recently did and DNN and all my other dozens of modules perform perfectly fine on – Intel LGA775 dual-core, 6GB DDR3, RAID 0, Windows 2008 64bit, SQL 2008 Standard Edition 64-bit, IIS7.0, DotNet 3.5 SP1, following all caching and optimization recommendations, located in Dallas’ premiere colo averaging 36MBps through its pipes – which I’ve been running on for 16 years without any problems). We went back and forth in extended emails and forum posts but he insisted that his data storage code was fine and that the problem was with my hardware (even though his is the only one that performs poorly on it).

I hope this helps illustrate the need for some kind of baseline standards and practices DNN module developers should follow to protect the market. Whether a DNN Seal of Approval is given based on compliance or whether these modules simply can’t be sold through the Snowcovered store, we need a layer of protection that separates want-to-be module developers from the real thing. This is why Apple acts as a gate to the App Store. Without such a gate, the entire enterprise will suffer because the practices and behavior of some developers will destabilize the market. The current Snowcovered user rating system just isn’t enough because there’s no way to gauge the level of knowledge one reviewer has from another – and it’s apparent that vendors have the means of carrying over positive reviews from one module version to another and as a result, over time all the critical reviews get left behind. This leaves the onus on the would-be buyer to do all the due-diligence necessary before investing in a module. This significantly devalues the value-add of Snowcovered.

Another issue is that some of the developers tend to raise their prices frequently and significantly without any regard to hosting providers like me who have to figure the cost of upgrading modules into their monthly hosting fees to maintain profitability. Once you’ve installed a module in a production environment, the cost to change it out with another module becomes very high. Vendors realize this and some take advantage of it by raising prices significantly because they know most of their installed user base have little choice but to pay up. It makes it difficult to be profitable when it's impossible to know how much a module is doing to cost to support on an annual basis.

Similarly, there needs to be some kind of standards on licensing practices. If all vendors provided free updates for 12 months, for example, it would be possible to calculate my operational costs and add a margin profit into it. As it is, it's a crap shot. I’ve bought modules for clients before and then a couple of months later they came out with a new version that I had to buy again (often before I’ve even gotten them through development, testing and into production). In such cases, my clients aren't willing to re-buy what they just bought and haven't even seen work yet. In such cases, I have to eat the costs out of my profit margins.

Without some standard practices being put in place, it is difficult to run a profitable business on the DNN platform. DNN has a lot of good things going for it and overall is headed in the right direction. But, if it cannot bring some stabilization to the module aftermarket, it may be confined to the needs of enthusiasts and specialty markets instead of those looking for a viable business platform.

What do you think? Do you see the need for such standard practices? If so, let’s try to bring some attention to this issue in hopes of DNN Corp becoming an advocate to our cause and helps us bring stability to the module aftermarket.

 
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7/7/2010 7:09 PM
 
I agree with many of your concerns and points here.  

There was an initiative in the past that you may remember where module developers were encourage to participate in a module certification program.  This program had to be dropped due to resource concerns.  I would certainly love to see this program be brought back from the fiery depths of DNN past.  I would also love to see this same type of program instituted for other areas of the ecosystem, much like Microsoft has for their partners.

That being said, I know that DNN Corp is currently working several key and influential community members and ecosystem vendors to make things like this a reality, as well as to address other concerns.  

I would love to see Snowcovered to become more socially integrated and add features like Amazon and Ebay has for reputation that's available to all users.

These are great thoughts.  Keep it up!  :)

Will Strohl

Upendo Ventures Upendo Ventures
DNN experts since 2003
Official provider of the Hotcakes Commerce Cloud and SLA support
 
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7/7/2010 9:13 PM
 
John, I understand your pains, but from my PoV, the central focus of any module I rely on with my customers' site is the same reason, why they rely on me: TRUST. I use modules from well known vendors and developers, like Active Modules, Data Springs, Effority and Oliver Hine - companies or people with a known reputation, familiar faces (I expect they want to maintain on our next personal meeting) - entities I trust. There are frequently attempts to substitute personal trust by trust of 3rd party known institutions - called certificates - but generally, in most of the cases, the range of these certificates are limited to uselessness, becoming cheap marketing instruments. Unfortunately same applies to DNN module certificates - a significant test will require a number of steps and some dedicated time of testers - after managing the module testing process in the core team, I know what I am talking about. If someone would have to pay for it, a release test would cost around 1,000 USD - for every version. This would for sure raise the average price of items in the marketplace significantly - which currently is no interest of the users. As a conclusion I would state, you won't get a valuable certificate until you are willing to pay for it - even if it doubles the current price of the modules.

Cheers from Germany,
Sebastian Leupold

dnnWerk - The DotNetNuke Experts   German Spoken DotNetNuke User Group

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7/7/2010 9:16 PM
 
Great points, Sebastian.

Will Strohl

Upendo Ventures Upendo Ventures
DNN experts since 2003
Official provider of the Hotcakes Commerce Cloud and SLA support
 
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7/7/2010 11:31 PM
 
John, I agree with many of your points.  Particularly about releasing source code if a product is decided to be abandoned. 

On the issue of building trust - it's something that is not easy for developers to do, and it's not easy for potential customers to evaluate.  Many of the feedback mechanisms are done at the point of purchase, when perhaps the real value is in the experience 12 months down the track after a few upgrades, bug fixes and support requests.

I still believe the third-party module business model to be very immature and with different types of business models floating about, it's not yet apparent to me which is likely to be the eventual winner.  I think you'll find module prices continuing to increase as the amount of work it takes to keep a module up to date and compatible continues to grow.  With monthly stabilisation releases of DNN and quarterly major releases, it takes quite a lot of work just to maintain a module - even if no compatibility problems are found.  It's difficult for a vendor to know where the correct price point is - too cheap and you may get too much support for the revenue, which is a big reason why modules are abandoned by vendors.  Too expensive and you might not make enough sales to justify ongoing support of the module.  Finding the sweet spot while keeping existing customers onside is very difficult.

I respect people like yourself who can build sustainable businesses from hosting based on DNN - I dabbled in that initially but soon realised it wasn't for me.  You should continue to speak out about what you see as important.  Constructive dialogue from all sides keeps the issues moving along.  I don't believe the solution is in the creation of policies or programs, but the gradual evolution of the ecosystem to one where the vendors know what is the most workable business model, and customers know how to reliably assess the risk levels of various vendors.
 
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