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10/14/2011 11:11 AM
 
Ed DeGagne


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I am not up on the current list, but I do not believe Wiki or Forums are "core" modules.
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10/14/2011 11:14 AM
 
Mike Ryckman


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It does seem a little unfair to target the framework for bugs in modules. At the same time, I can appreciate that some of the "core" modules are a bit of a mess.

Would there be any logic in DNN basically only coming with one or two major modules - say HTML and Links maybe - then having all others be downloadable side projects? In this approach, DNN would get rid of the idea of "core" modules entirely. It is a little silly to hurt a brand name because of forge projects that are basically abandoned.

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10/14/2011 11:37 AM
 
Ed DeGagne


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That's exactly how it already is Mike, from my understanding.

I'd like to hear a core member's take on this.
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10/14/2011 11:51 AM
 
Mike Ryckman


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Ahh... I can't remember - but yes, I think that's right. The various "other" modules appear in the "Available Extensions" tab in the host's extensions manager. So yes, they aren't in by default. I was mixed up.

I guess that's the thing though... I thought of them as "core" because they once were "core" (and I think bundled). Maybe the problem is less how it actually is now, and more how DNN users who've been around for a while THINK about the modules.

On a side note, it might be good to add a "Last released date" column to that "Available Extensions" list, or to have a stricter policy for what ends up there...
 
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10/14/2011 11:54 AM
 
cathal connolly


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that is how it is, we only ship the current list of modules as a convenience for users and because they once mostly were part of the core before being broken out into modules.

Personally I'm of the opinion that we should not ship them, as they simply take up space (particularly if not installed), encourage people to add them all (taking up valuable ram as unnecessary dll's clutter the bin folder) and also can lead to people installing broken modules or modules with security issues e.g. perhaps I install 6.0.2 today and a year from now decide to install the blog module - i'd likely just check the checkbox beside it and install and not be aware that there was a more modern, better release. Instead IMHO people should use the built in extension catalog to identify modules based on their need, rather than try to shoehorn shipped modules to their requirements (or use the forge http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Community/E... to download modules using similar critera)
 
Another good reason to remove modules from the core is to create better competition e.g. if someone is unhappy with a module they mostly have to live with it (or research an alternative). Instead if no module is guaranteed inclusion in the core I feel this will spur competition and innovation and people will instead use the module which has risen to the top (e.g. most downloads/best reviews) or perhaps the module which has the most activity/contributors.

If you look at other CMS's such as drupal they'll often have distributions that contain different sets of modules some of which work better together or are better suited to a task e.g. there may be 3 "articles" style modules but one has better granular permission support so is better suited for intranets, whereas one has better ajax so is better supported for internet sites etc.
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