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6/11/2012 5:55 PM
 
Frozen DNN


Joined: 3/30/2007
Posts: 515

The old DotNetNuke forum (http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Community/E...) is not a DNN Corp product, it's a free opensource product that Chris Paterra has worked diligently on for many years. Whilst Chris is a Corp employee, and has been given some time in work to do work on it, it is not now or ever been a DNN Corp product.

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I do not accept this argument. DNN forum has always been DNN's sponsored module. Chris was allowed to blog about it in the blogs section.  DNN Forum also has it's own sub forum in the forum section. How many other open source forum vendors were allowed to blog or have their own sub forum on this website? Also, how many other Forum Modules were shipped with the old install packages? If look at the license, and the way DNN Forum was treated, it looks like Dotnetnuke Corp. "owns" the core DNN Forum.

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We do not intend to get into the business of module authoring as it's much better for the ecosystem to allow other parties the opportunity to do that and make money, but as we effectively removed a popular 3rd party component from an area where there were only 2 other valid choices, we thought it benefited the community to give it back free.

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If DNN really does not intent to get into the business of module authoring, then they should stop acquiring popular third party modules from vendors who do not care about their customers. If DNN does acquire modules (even if they do not want to be in that business *rolls eyes* ) they should at least keep the acquired module available to the vendor's customer. Just because you acquire the module and give it back free minus some feature is not really free to the current customer or the community, is it?  I don't know why DNN corp. thinks they are doing a good deed by acquiring ActiveModule Forums and give it free to DNN users when they are holding some it's important feature for ransom.  Before DNN Corp acquired AF all its features were available to everyone for a decent price. Now...they are available at a very steep price. So AF is not really free. It would be really free if there weren't Community AF and Enterprise AF. 

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Your complaint seems to be that we are not spending enough money and resources to provide you with an alternative free forum as quickly as you would like- I'm not sure how we can answer that as we limited resources and have to make subjective decisions on how best to spend our time. I've communicated a few times that it will be coming as soon as time and resources allow, I'm sorry if that does not meet your needs.

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I think the complaint is more about you guys not keeping your promises. AF was suppose to be released with 6.2. It did not happen. Many people rely on your promises. They delay their projects relying on your promises so yes they can complaint about the delays. Yes, even if you are giving a free product out of the goodness of your heart. We can do that because we make/change plans based on your announcements.

If you do not have enough money or resources, other than wasting them by acquiring modules, you can stop making announcements so people do not rely on them. Or you can assure the community that you will provide a migration tool from the core DNN Forum to new AF, when it available, so people don't have to wait for the new AF.  

FYI: Had DNN Corp not acquired ActiveModules, during this time, ActiveModules would have released 2-3 version of both, AF and AS, with new features.
 
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6/18/2012 11:29 PM
 
Katherine Moss


Joined: 5/12/2012
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This is interesting, because I actually like the acquisition with DNN Corp of Active Modules.  And do I understand this that now that DNN Corp has Active Modules, that Active Forums will now be an open source project?  That's what I'm taking from this, but this topic is so flooded with worthless complaints and people dissing a great company (DNN Corp), that I'm missing the main point of the topic.  Could somebody please fill me in?And whoever said that forums still have their place in the social ecosystem, you're right because I find forums very important to internet social circles.  The only other option would be email, which is good, but it doesn't integrate well with certain web sites, especially sites like mine that are for community, not business.  Email lists are also more single-topic oriented, so it's sort of a minus for the community if you know what I mean. 
 
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6/19/2012 7:09 AM
 
Costas Zividis


Joined: 10/29/2010
Posts: 546
Katherine Moss wrote:
This is interesting, because I actually like the acquisition with DNN Corp of Active Modules.  And do I understand this that now that DNN Corp has Active Modules, that Active Forums will now be an open source project?  That's what I'm taking from this, but this topic is so flooded with worthless complaints and people dissing a great company (DNN Corp), that I'm missing the main point of the topic.

Now this is an impolite reply for all of us that spend our time to post.

We are not making "worthless" comments here, we express our opinion.

Costas

 btw: learn how to use Return (CR) in your replies.

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6/19/2012 12:31 PM
 
Morris Hunter

Joined: 6/26/2004
Posts: 3

Katherine Moss wrote:
This is interesting, because I actually like the acquisition with DNN Corp of Active Modules.  And do I understand this that now that DNN Corp has Active Modules, that Active Forums will now be an open source project?  That's what I'm taking from this, but this topic is so flooded with worthless complaints and people dissing a great company (DNN Corp), that I'm missing the main point of the topic.  Could somebody please fill me in?

I think a careful reading of the posts in this thread does not show worthless complaints. The facts are: 
  • A very popular 3rd popular module(s) was acquired by DNN Corp, taken out of the 3rd party control.  
  • Multiple Announcements about DNN 6.2 from DNN Corp indicated that the modules would be integrated into DNN 6.2 and most featured now built-in to the new framework at the free community level 
  • People planned and took actions based on those announcements 
  • The module and it's features are not ready at the release of DNN 6.2 
  • Communication on the plans for the module has not been very clear or prominently placed. The result is that you must search and find a thread like this to find out what happened and what is planned and to voice any opinion. 

No doubt most users taking the time to post here are site creator types and essentially fans of the DNN CMS.  Complaints should not be considered worthless by the company if it has any concern for it's own users. 

And whoever said that forums still have their place in the social ecosystem, you're right because I find forums very important to internet social circles.  The only other option would be email, which is good, but it doesn't integrate well with certain web sites, especially sites like mine that are for community, not business.  Email lists are also more single-topic oriented, so it's sort of a minus for the community if you know what I mean. 

 I said forums still have a place in the ecosystem since it seems to be implied in an earlier posts that the newer social features added to 6.2 are more in line with future while forums are sort of fading in importance.    They may be less prominent but as evidenced here, they will probably maintain an important role along with newer social features for a long time. 
 
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6/19/2012 2:17 PM
 
Katherine Moss


Joined: 5/12/2012
Posts: 45
Okay, I'll admit that I was wrong to call your comments worthless. Sometimes my emotions and my words often don't fit together and one seems to go out the window for a time, and that's what happened here.
I am a fan of DotNETNuke, but at the same time, I understand that it's a complex application, with three different editions to be maintained, so sometimes announcements can get lost in the shuffle. I give DNN Corp credit for what they have done, and especially for embracing communities like this. I understand where you folks are coming from though, as well. I feel your pain as I have to deal with companies not keeping their promises all of the time too. If DNN corp didn't care about us, do you think that they would have a huge community like this and offer so much for free? And not to mention, take the free and paid-for editions of DNN with equal amounts of care? I somehow doubt it.
 
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