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8/26/2013 9:26 AM
 

Thanks Tim for bringing the conversation focus back.

  1. Evoke hides DNN:  I think this is the primary issue and is the reason why this thread exists.  I personally think Evoke is a great tool and DNN will go very far with that product line.  My concern with Evoke is that DNN corp. is hiding the DNN Platform risking the existence of the community.  I posted to this thread because I wanted to help the community communicate to DNN Corp. the concern with this and Shaun has stated it was just to help launch Evoke.  Problem solved?
  2. Community Voiced Features: I agree 100% on this with you.  We need a way for people to voice their needs and for developers to respond to those needs with enough compensation to keep them motivated.  DNN Corp. could take a cut in order to help cover the costs and use those funds to pay for additional features into the platform just like they do now with the DNN Store.
  3. Future of DNN Open Source: I'm not too worried about this.  DNN Corp only exists because of the "open source" and they are aware of this and voiced this publicly.  If DNN corp does step down, I have no doubts others will step up to take their place.  There are people now just waiting for this to happen so that they can reap the benefits.



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8/26/2013 3:18 PM
 

Evoq is just a cute new baby, and is giddy about making a splash in the US. I do not see DNN Pro or CE being sidelined. Evoq seems to be priced for the US commercial market where half of the workforce works for large multi-divisional corporations, with 500 or more Full Time Employees. Those thousand of firms on Russels2000 list. Which proportion of customers with less than 100 employees can afford DNN Pro but cannot afford Evoq? And if there is no DNN Pro, what then? Give Evoq 6-9 months to find its feet. Settle down.

 

On this side of the Atlantic, the employed workforce is to 3/4 organised in many small one divison family like orperations with less than 250 Full Time Employees. Yes, alot of these enterprises subscribe to some co-orperative type of „Thing“, like raifeisen, baywa, edeka, or migros, but they are autonomous in thier assets. The once mighty 60k FTE Hoesch Steel is today 300+ independent companies. The swiss-swede 140k FTE Asea Brown Boveri had less than 300 people in their headoffice in 2011. The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland combined have a smaller population than California. In the thriving Swiss-Germany-Austria sphere there are less than 60 cities with more than 150k in population. And the German DAX stock index is made up of only 30 firms. And these are, besides France, the „big markets“ on the Continent. Big perhaps at the DNN Pro price of two cups of starbucks coffee per day. It is a different world.

 

Maybe the problem is in the way in which we the community relate to the modules available through the store. The Platform is robust, with ten or more people who know all the ropes. Even if 3-5 people suddenly decide to go, it will probably survive. Store modules are different. Which modules in the store are run like open source projects? Which ones can survive when the lead developer stops leading? Who knows how to activemodules is maintained? Or the next one yet to go?

 

We do not cultivate an opensource culture of adopting abandoned modules. Maybe we should be more prepared for these types of changes. Pooling the revenue from prervious adoptions to finance future adoptions. Find a way to reasign responsibilty when someone who knows most about a specific module of interest looses his interest. I asume there are about 40 or less such unique modules. How many in the community should be expected to know, or should be asigned to know all the ropes beside the lead developer of a particular module in the store? Which ones of us should second the developers? We, an opensource community of 700k or more registered members? Dont we need some „Thing“ here?

 

What does history tell us? Marco Borries Open-Office will be thirty years old next easter, despite multiple MBA induced asset shuffles. I would be happy today if the DNN platform or the community had assimilated lucas labs reports, aquitydps oracle dataproviders, Niks Filemanager, and the Xlists. Had we had a way of securing survival after their originators lost interest, we would still have them with us today. Either somewhere in DNN Pro or living in the store. Operations live on information.With them we would probably be doing alot more wow! intranets now.

 

Blame me. I regret not having shown more interest in Andrews Reports Module. I will certainly regret not having the time now and the energy today to share a template for the form and list module, or for xmod, or for a custom activeforums topicsview. Like you, I have a busy life to tend to. Honestly, how many of us really took the time to iterate with silverlight? how many of us only looked on when the platform got the blame as Flatburger got grilled on the firewalls? or how many of us had sleepless nights because the DAL-as-a-service was „not evolving“, as the one developer was busy extending his house?

 

Evoq is a cute new baby, that just needs some breadthing space. Let her have some.

 
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8/26/2013 7:37 PM
 

Shai, Your comments are so thoughtful and well spoken and got me thinking.

I'm pretty sick about the turn of events because our business has sunk a lot of time and money into DNN. The first knife came when Active Forums got bought out. We are now on an old version and I don't want to think about converting to the core forum. Then Open Document Library got bought. I don't blame these developers one bit, I do understand the lure of a buyout. But I'm still pretty angry that DNN swept those products and subsequently many more, out of the community and into a product that we cannot afford to even consider. 

The last DNN conference I went to was a complete waste of time except I got to hang out with my coworkers I normally never see and also saw people I have met thru DNN over the years. It was all about selling, whether DNN or from the supporting vendors, the sessions were thin as water for any substance. 

Now the site is virtually unusable and the worst part is that after sucking Ifinity URL Master into DNN I would expect to not see any broken links on the new site. Instead, broken links are the norm. I usually find myself staring at blobs of color instead of the content I'm hoping for, I'm taken to some default page that is useless. This is especially disturbing because of the years of knowledge that are now lost in the forums and articles. So many people contributed selflessly to trying to help each other deal with problems that came up as we worked with this platform. Even as I write this post, I can only see a few lines of my writing because the "site" consumes fully 30% of the page and the text editor only gives me a few lines. 

The new site is not unattractive but  it is broken. I can't find the forums without searching and then reading thru the irrelevance to find a link. This is not usability IMHO! 

I'm not optimistic about the future of DNN. I've seen so many companies that once they get VC the founders basically suck it dry until the well is empty then move on to a new opportunity. There is nothing wrong with getting paid for your work but it does seem that DNN corp doesn't care about those who have supported this community without compensation. I doubt that the third party vendors are making much either from the sounds of comments in this thread.

 

 
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8/26/2013 7:56 PM
 

Your metaphor or allegory (I never remember which is which) is interesting about the Volkswagen and the Ferrari. I've been driving this VW for a while and it runs great but now I can't buy tires because the shop only sells big meat for Ferrari's! So should I take my VW to the junkyard? I can't afford a Ferrari and honestly if I had the money I would not buy one.

 
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8/26/2013 11:51 PM
 
Penny Rand wrote:

Your metaphor or allegory (I never remember which is which) is interesting about the Volkswagen and the Ferrari. I've been driving this VW for a while and it runs great but now I can't buy tires because the shop only sells big meat for Ferrari's! So should I take my VW to the junkyard? I can't afford a Ferrari and honestly if I had the money I would not buy one.

 

Not only that they bought all the other stores that sold VW tires so no one can buy new VW tires anymore. Your options are either to change your car, use bicycle tires for your VW or buy the damn Ferrari.

 
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