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1/31/2014 1:05 PM
 
Tony Henrich


Joined: 12/15/2008
Posts: 838
Chris Onyak wrote:

Tony has a point.   You have full access to the source code so you are never at risk.  Even Evoq provides the source code.  

If DNN was bought out, this community is still very strong with a lot of extremely talented people from all over the world that are willing to step and move on if needed.   A fork? I don't think that would be a good idea until DNN Corp. itself stops investing in the DNN Open Source and I think they know that would be devastating to them.

The only real issue here is the site changes here no longer promote the DNN Open Source so it is no longer a central location for us all to collaborate.   It is also a breaking point for growing the community.

The issue is not DNN, the problem is that the open source community no longer feels welcome here.

DNN isn't going anywhere.  We all have the source and there are masses of people all over the world investing in the DNN Open Source.  So there is no risk and it is and will always be the best on the Microsoft platform until the next major technology change.

It's just a matter of what site the open source community visits to chat and expand DNN.

 

Do you mean contributions from developers are not accepted? Did DNN change for people who have been using it for years? I mean the source and updates are available. The forums are still there and anyone can post and get support. The store is still there and anyone can sell modules. So what is the big change that has happened that's affecting the current users? Yes the site has changed and it looks like a commercial site promoting more Evoq, but what has changed for the current users? (other than a tiny fraction of modules disappearing from the store)

 
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1/31/2014 1:06 PM
 
Chris Onyak


www.OnyakTech.com
Joined: 8/27/2003
Posts: 799
Tony Henrich wrote:
The free open source edition is evolving and getting constant updates and, afaik, it's the same base as evoq. I am not sure what people are complaining about. DNNSoftware assured the community the open source will evolve. Free and commercial modules are available as before. DNNSoftware acquired some commercial modules and made available in evoq only. For the majority of users who don't use and will not use those modules, it's not an issue. Plus it seems to me it's a business opportunity to fill in the gap and create and sell comparable modules. If no one is interested in creating similar modules, then may be those modules weren't important enough after all.

 

Yes, DNN Open is not going anywhere and is very active.  The are also developers working on similar modules that DNN Corp. purchased so it's just a matter of time. 

Isn't the overall theme of this thread the lack of the open source collaboration on this site and Evoq mixing in with the DNN platform?  That shouldn't be shocking, you can't mix Open Source and try to sell a product on the same site.

I don't think this thread would exist if there was a dedicated "active" site for the DNN Open Source where people could go for help.


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1/31/2014 1:11 PM
 
Chris Onyak


www.OnyakTech.com
Joined: 8/27/2003
Posts: 799
Tony Henrich wrote:
Chris Onyak wrote:

Tony has a point.   You have full access to the source code so you are never at risk.  Even Evoq provides the source code.  

If DNN was bought out, this community is still very strong with a lot of extremely talented people from all over the world that are willing to step and move on if needed.   A fork? I don't think that would be a good idea until DNN Corp. itself stops investing in the DNN Open Source and I think they know that would be devastating to them.

The only real issue here is the site changes here no longer promote the DNN Open Source so it is no longer a central location for us all to collaborate.   It is also a breaking point for growing the community.

The issue is not DNN, the problem is that the open source community no longer feels welcome here.

DNN isn't going anywhere.  We all have the source and there are masses of people all over the world investing in the DNN Open Source.  So there is no risk and it is and will always be the best on the Microsoft platform until the next major technology change.

It's just a matter of what site the open source community visits to chat and expand DNN.

 

Do you mean contributions from developers are not accepted? Did DNN change for people who have been using it for years? I mean the source and updates are available. The forums are still there and anyone can post and get support. The store is still there and anyone can sell modules. So what is the big change that has happened that's affecting the current users? Yes the site has changed and it looks like a commercial site promoting more Evoq, but what has changed for the current users? (other than a tiny fraction of modules disappearing from the store)

 

The forums are not as easy to find and the entire home page is selling a product with phrases that lead you to believe that there is only a product to purchase, nothing available to use for free.   Once the DNN home page changed the community started dropping off.  If it was not the home page change that caused this then what do you think was?

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1/31/2014 1:49 PM
 
Tony Henrich


Joined: 12/15/2008
Posts: 838
Yes but for the users who have been using DNN, they know it' didn't go away and the forums still exist. The links have changed and I assume the old links redirect to the new ones.

The issue is about NEW USERS. How do new users find about DNN? Search engines? then what keywords did they use? Does DNN come up in the first page? Does it say open source? Or did read about DNN somewhere and followed a link and already know it's free open source and they spend time trying to find it on the home page?

What DNNSoftware REALLY need to do is do log statistics analysis and find about the bounce rate of people who were looking for an open source CMS (I assume Google is still sending the search keywords?) , looked at the home page and left the site without going to the open source section. If the bounce rate is high, then that's a problem.
They can also do a heat map analysis and know where people are clicking on the home page.

Looks like all the text and phrases (such as request a demo, free trial) above the fold are all about offering a commercial product. That's not good news for the open source community. The section about CONTROL says nothing about an open source option. As a new user, that section is just more info about the commercial offering. EVOQ Social means nothing about an open source option. I don't know if DNNSOftware is intentionally trying to bury the community edition so visitors concentrate more on the commercial offerings.

I understand why the community users do not like this.
 
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1/31/2014 2:06 PM
 
Lars Tungen


Joined: 10/4/2003
Posts: 108
Tony Henrich wrote:
"If you can't afford to pay thousands of dollars a year for Evoq Social, you certainly cannot afford to pay 50 bucks for it either".
This doesn't make sense for individuals or small companies. I can't afford $1000's but certainly I can afford $50.

For #3: if you make enough money to pay all the employees and make some profit, you don't need investor. Just like a typical store or restaurant. The wheels are spinning.

Is DNN proprietary software? Why?

 

DNN used to be a 100% free and open source project where businesses could purchase commercial support contracts. This is not the case anymore. DNN has turned into a hybrid with a mostly open core and proprietary extensions. The horrible Teleriks have infected the core with their bloat and bugs. The well known name (DotNetNuke) have been depreciated and changed to something fancy. The forum has been hidden from the eyes of the new and curious user. The open core is almost impossible to download from the main site. The third party market have been assimilated into the "corporation" and the most popular upgrades and extensions have been taken off the market (#1 and #2 from my previous post). The power of balance have shifted into a single point of failure (the corp) ready to be bought and consumed by something bigger and much less open source friendly entity.

Within 5 years, a major player in the Windows Server software business will make an offer to the owners of Evoq that they can't refuse. The "player" will be looking for a CMS they can sell to their existing user base and perhaps expand their customer base within the fortune 500 market. The "founding fathers" of DotNetNuke will cash out and go on with their lives. The new owner will put the final nail in the open source DNN coffin. 

The only thing that can save open source DotNetNuke (yes, DotNetNuke) is a separate community that can sustain and manage itself. There is still time, but it is running out.
 
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