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Tony Henrich wrote:
The tag feature is a mess and I see this in many Q&A sites where they allow a user to use any tag. You end up with thousands of misspelled tags, several tags which are basically same topic. It seems the Community Exchange area doesn't implement auto complete in the tag filter. So how does one know what tag to use to filter by? StackExchange gets it right. They have autocomplete and only people with enough reps can create new tags. That's why I prefer the forums.
Tony,
I agree that there is a room to improve Folksonomy (that's the name of this feature) and would love to get your ideas, how to integrate user classification. Btw, I can tell from history that this feature has been added, when the four founders were struggling to make money feeding their families and paying the sole developer on the core, who was implementing it.
PS: This sounds, like I am defeating DNN Corp. all the time, but if you get a chance talking to Shaun, Charles, Joe or any of the other former Core Team members, they will tell you just the opposite, because I am as eager as you to bring DNN forward, up to the next level (and atm I am unsatisfied, as I am realizing that my SQL improvements don't have a chance to get included into the core for various reasons - and need to find a way to get around this to provide an option for a "Turbo DNN")
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In the interests of clarity I should say that we are not rejecting Sebastian's contributions out of hand (in fact we incorporated 36 of his contributions in 7.2.1 and will do a further 34 in 7.2.2 ). However we often do have different thoughts on things and we tend to be more cautious that some (including Sebastian) would like - whilst he will loudly argue his point we always know that that comes mostly from passion and not anger (well, maybe a little bit of anger...:) )
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Sebastian Leupold wrote:
Tony Henrich wrote:
The tag feature is a mess and I see this in many Q&A sites where they allow a user to use any tag. You end up with thousands of misspelled tags, several tags which are basically same topic. It seems the Community Exchange area doesn't implement auto complete in the tag filter. So how does one know what tag to use to filter by? StackExchange gets it right. They have autocomplete and only people with enough reps can create new tags. That's why I prefer the forums.
Tony,
I agree that there is a room to improve Folksonomy (that's the name of this feature) and would love to get your ideas, how to integrate user classification. Btw, I can tell from history that this feature has been added, when the four founders were struggling to make money feeding their families and paying the sole developer on the core, who was implementing it.
PS: This sounds, like I am defeating DNN Corp. all the time, but if you get a chance talking to Shaun, Charles, Joe or any of the other former Core Team members, they will tell you just the opposite, because I am as eager as you to bring DNN forward, up to the next level (and atm I am unsatisfied, as I am realizing that my SQL improvements don't have a chance to get included into the core for various reasons - and need to find a way to get around this to provide an option for a "Turbo DNN")
For the tag feature, Folksonomy as you say, create a set of tags which, in the beginning, can be the same as the names of the subforums. Take each subforum and create a corresponding Q&A ag. Every question must have at least one of these tags. This way you cover your bases. THEN the user can add other tags of their own. So even if the user creates a new misspelled, silly, nonsense, useless tag (because they don't know better), the required tag will come into play and will help the people who are using to search by tag. Hopefully they know what tag to search for. Also, this helps people who just want to browse in the area of their interest (one of the request tags). That's my suggestion. In meta.stackexchange.com, for example, you have to select one of the required tags like 'support' or 'discussion', although for DNN support, I consider these too broad and not helpful because any question will be considered 'support'.
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Sebastian Leupold wrote:
Tony Henrich wrote:
Yesterday, I wanted to see what the latest version looks like and tried to install DNN 7.2.1 from the full source zip. The installer errored with a divide by zero error. I tried two different machines. I tried several times with same problem. I searched the forums and the solution was to copy the the 'install' folder from the install zip over the one created from the source zip. I mean what the WTF!!!. I wasted a lot of time because the person who packaged the zip didn't bother to do BASIC QA by trying to install a fresh install. Shoddy lousy sloppy work. The link 'View Installation Video' on the first installation page goes to a corp website that has no videos.
After the install has finished, the home page goes to page with no formatting as if no css is being applied. Another problem I have to troubleshoot.
ok, next subject (which, IMHO, would be worth a dedicated thread).
We (speaking for frequent supporters, hopefully the others don't mind) are well aware of challenges during installation. But the main challenge: DNN is a server product, not a consumer app. You need to setup Windows, IIS and SQL Server appropriately to get the proper base for DNN (I wouldn't dare to get a WordPress package and install it on Apache w/o further instructions). I.e., I am happy about MS Web Platform installer handling these challenges, but there are still caveats, we got to know - maybe due to too many different configurations of the environment. I am still longing for a slipstream installer and update option - but understand, that there are too many requests, DNN Corp. is handling. But it is one of the challenges for DNN to attract new users. There are a number of other details discuss, but I'd love to focus on fundamental ones in this thread.
PS: Tony, I am with you regarding install of source package, which used to contain a ready to run environment until DNN 5, and still claims to be "source and install" (which is just wrong, IMHO).
I expect the source package to run DNN exactly like the install package. The source is there for the people who want to look at the source. OK so I have to compile it. No big deal. It's a quick one time thing. But it has to install and work! I gave up on the source package because it just didn't work and I wasn't going to waste any more time on it. The source package is not an edge case. Look at the download numbers at Codeplex. Source downloaders are 33% of the number of the install package. That's a hefty number. You say you want to concentrate on the newbies. Isn't the web installer for newbies? It gets the lowest number of downloads.
I am saying that whoever packaged the source package and making it available for download, you need to do a quick test and see if it installs fine as a fresh install. It takes less than 5 minutes.
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we do - in fact our build server uses the release configuration of the source package to build the packages (note: you have to change to "release" from "debug" to build the projects and have the assemblies copied to the website bin folder)
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