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2/4/2014 9:01 PM
 
Wes Tatters wrote:

The Source package works correctly - If you use it the way it is intended - but because it is source code tied to a server configuration there are many more edge cases.

Prerequisites.
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IIS latest version
MS SQL latest version - express 
ASP.NET 4.0 / 4.5  
All latest service packs and patches.

Make sure IIS is running and that you can BROWSE to http://localhost/  and see the default IIS landing page

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IF ALL OF THE ABOVE IS CORRECT THEN YOU CAN DO A BUILD FROM SOURCE WITHOUT ANY EDGE CASE ISSUES - in about 5 minutes

1. Unlock zip
2. Unzip to folder -  say c:/wwwDnn/
3. Start Visual Studio from Run as Administrator -  you MUST be in admin mode for a clean build to work 
4. Select open project from the menu - and open c:/wwwDnn/DNN_Platform.sln
5. Open  Build -> Configuration Manager 
6. Switch to RELEASE mode
7. Now  Build -> Build Solution
8. Open your web browser and go to http://localhost/DNN_Platform/

After a short initial startup dynamic compile - you will be shown the dnn installer page  - you are now running DNN from a source build.

 

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Westa

 

Did you continue from there? The problem is not with the build. I clearly stated the problem is running the site (it builds just fine) from the source package and the installation setup fails with some divide by zero error. I tried on two machines, one under Windows 7 and one under Windows 8.1. Same exact problem. A forum post (meaning others encountered the same problem so it's not just me) said to copy the install folder from the Install package over the one from the Source package. The installer ran fine. So clearly there's something wrong with the install folder from the Source package. 

I have a post since yesterday about this error in the Installation forum. I am not griping here only.

So why not provide a proper Source package which works WITH installation and proper DNN setup? It used to work in prior versions. Is it starting to be too work to get one done?

Also there's no docs whatsoever in the zip file. No readme.txt. No quick start instructions. Or how about a "Do not use this package for installing and running DNN", if that's the intention. I also have another post about the missing installation video whose link is in the installation page. 

There's also a difference between using the Source package from the download section at CodePlex and downloading the source from the 'Source Code' sections which is the active repository which usually people should avoid unless you're a participating developer.

BTW, I haven't used DNN for two years and only yesterday tried to install DNN to see what it looks like and I got irritated by the existence of soooo many issues, from the software and the corp's site itself. Even the dnnsoftware.com site was down for a while today. I feel like those guys can't get a grip of anything.

 

 

 
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2/4/2014 10:47 PM
 

WOW!  You check a forum and no posts for weeks, Then you quit for a week and it blows up!  :-)

Such a relief to see community members come out of the woodwork and confirm what I have been thinking for some time. Thanks once again Sebastian (I'd like to know how may times I've said that since 2006!) for bringing the community some news and hope.

I have spoken with some community members over the last couple of months and the evil F word has come up several times. In my opinion that is an extreme last ditch "solution" in part because I still believe that the founders of DNN do care about the community. To some extent I don't blame them for wanting to cash out and make some money.

BUT, the community IS dying so we do need to do something. As several have said in this thread, and I have said to several of the people in this thread 3 or 4 years ago - the community needs it's own website. That would help a ton. Plus, in my opinion, the choice of tools has been a mistake. Stack Overflow (the model for Community Exchange) is a tool to build individuals not communities.  I may get blasted for this one but I believe Twitter and LinkedIn to be better tools to build individuals as well. Forums are STILL the best way to build a community. And last but not least, the community needs it's own module/skin store. One whose 1st goal is adding new developers and providing a platform for THEM to make money rather than the site owner.  Among other reasons.

Just my two cents and I don't have as much time as I used to but I will volunteer to help with such a site as much as I can if there is any interest this time.

 
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2/4/2014 10:57 PM
 
Oops! Forgot the reason I came here to post in the first place:

Thanks for fixing the menu and making it so we can at least find the forums now.
 
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2/4/2014 11:55 PM
 

I'll help launch anyone who wants to startup a new DNN Open Source community site as long as the focus and priority is always open source DNN.  Tell me where it is and I'll go.

A new DNN Extensions Store? I'll try it and support it but that won't be an easy feat.  Many people have tried to launch their own store including DNN and they all failed.  Brice won that battle by having the first-mover advantage.  With the DNN Store embedded into DNN itself your chances of success are even lower.  However, anyone can bring down a giant with the right tools.  It would definitely be valuable to everyone if there was some competition.  Some of the rules in the DNN Store are a bit harsh on vendors.

Instead of Forking DNN why not improve the core design a bit to make it more extensible and allow the community to build deeper providers?

Problem #1:  The problem I hear the most from DNN haters is that the install is too complicated and error prone.  Another related complaint is that they want some of the new features but not all of them.

Solution for #1:  Refactor the core to use a provider pattern for the installer.  Let people build custom installers so that DNN Corp. doesn't have to, then they can focus on Evoq while the community builds custom installers that allow you to choose the features you want. Remove or replace the embedded store, change or remove the upgrade notice,  use a custom PageBase Provider or at least allow us to replace the exception handling in BasePortalExceoptions, ModuleLoadExceptions, PageLoadExceptions, SearchExceptions, SecurityExceptions, etc.  I would love to build an Exception Provider for DNN for StreamInsight.

Problem #2:  DNN is too complicated to skin for creative UI designers.

Solution for #2:  Move the skin class or parts of it out and create a provider pattern so that the Skin loads from an extension instead. Then we can build Skin Rendering Providers. Examples of uses would be to create Skin Providers that can take a skins for any other CMS (Joomla, WordPress, etc) and have it render in DNN without changing the markup allowing web designers to build DNN skins without having to learn a new skill.

Problem #3: Branding and other countless other issues people have posted in this thread and elsewhere on the web.

Solution for #3: Refactor out the problem area and make it extensible.  Make the embedded store extensible so that other stores can start-up and offer their own version of DNN with their store in the sites. The core should always be solid and the problem components should be replaceable.

Build a solid core and then build extensions for all areas of it.  If the core is unreliable then the extensions are worthless.  If we always have to modify the core to get what we need then the core is handling too much.   A Fork is necessary but do you really want to break apart DNN and everyone working on it?  I think it would better to improve the design of the core by moving key functionality out of it and using a provider pattern.

It would also allow DNN Corp. to focus on making Evoq more valuable for their target market without the community frustrated because it no longer fits their needs or is causing issues for them.

Then... build a few community open source DNN sites and a few other DNN Extension stores and now you have yourself the ultimate next generation global technological solution.  Get Microsoft involved and have them fund the new stores and community sites in return for focused advertising of Windows 8 apps for DNN, Azure or even more Azure extensions.

 

If you make it reliable, it's open source, with a powerful instantly accessible and highly active community and while also extremely extensible so that you could throw a wrapper around all other competing CMS code....why would anyone use anything but DNN!?!?



Professional DNN Extensions, custom solutions and mobile apps since 2003.
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2/5/2014 12:11 AM
 
I have heard several times recently that the community is dying. What is the evidence for this? Less activity in the forums? What about the attendance in DNN conferences? Fewer people? Also wanted to know if long time commercial modules and skins sellers feel sales are flat or going down?

The corp is still sharing the code for newer versions of DNN and that's a positive sign. The corp is maintaining and hosting the forums and q&a support areas, albeit they are not easy to find. Some people suggested creating a community driven site. Who is going to create and support such a site ..and from scratch? will people start posting in empty forums? I think the corp needs to make the download link and forums more visible on the home page. wordpress.org is an example. they have two big download buttons above the fold. people quickly sense that it's a free offering.
 
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