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1/3/2008 8:33 PM
 

Oh, and with regards to SugarCRM - this is a company that has burnt through $26.5 MILLION in venture capital and just got another $14.5 MILLION this week.

While it is possible there is a good reason for the additional monies it is more likely that their move to a commercial product instead of an open source one isn't going so well. Yes, they still have an open source version but it is so feature limited (an effort to get you to upgrade) that many of the other open source products have surpassed it by a fairly large margin. i.e. Vtiger 

$41 MILLION!!  What could DNN have done with that kind of $?

Greg

 

 

 
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1/3/2008 10:17 PM
 

Leazon wrote

$41 MILLION!!  What could DNN have done with that kind of $?

Greg

...got the forums fixed on the mothership?

 
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1/4/2008 1:56 AM
 

This is a great question. I think some good modules are underpriced and other crappy ones are not. Also I hold the following point of vew:

Licensing in the dnn module world should change and it's changing - free > per server  > per dnn instance with unlimited portals > per dnn instance with limited portals...  This encourages more software development companies enter this market. As a result more professional modules will be developed and help DNN mature much faster.  IMHO eventually per domain will be the way to go for most companies that want to run a successful dnn module business.

Just my 2 cents,

Frank


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1/4/2008 8:54 AM
 

Michael Washington wrote

I too work in Local Government (Los Angeles County, California). For us DNN is a time saver and cost saver. As far as modules are concerned we always buy the source code, period. If the module developer goes out of business I simply don't care because I can made any modifications needed. I still have saved time and money. When I need workflow and versioning I write it myself.

The thing that i find funny when people throw out other CMS's is that I can develop in ASP.NET far faster than any other platform.

Those are two important points for module developers to pay attention to, though maybe for a different reason than you pose.  Source code has value, and modules with source available can command a higher price.  I find developers afraid that I'll "steal" their source.  I could care less about their source, other than my needs to modify it or retain it if they disappear.  I'm willing to pay for the license to use and modify it, and redistributing their source would get me in trouble with my employers faster than with the developer.

The second point is that developers have a bias in coding.  I am also far better in ASP.NET than in competing languages, but I've spent more time and effort becoming proficient with it.  I just can't code my way out of a paper bag, no matter what the language.  :)

I have a colleague who can't write ASP.NET code, he's been writing RPG and Java for decades.  For him, the solution is something he knows, not ASP.NET.  For me, I don't know RPG more than printing my name on a screen and Java is something that comes from Starbucks.  Neither of us is "wrong", we just arrive at the same solution by a different, albeit often incompatible, means.

The second half of the ASP.NET skill set issue is that I am pretty much the only ASP.NET programmer.  And my job function is network administration, not programming.  I'm not about to tackle workflow and versioning, nor am I willing or able to maintain it as DNN versions change.  That's something I need available from an outside developer.  As either a core function (preferable) or a module.  I especially need this to be an outside, reliable, developer since there would be little, if any, continuity if I leave my employment.

Everybody's, and every organization's, needs are different.  Which is probably why the real answer to this question is that DNN modules are both underpriced and not underpriced.  The answer is unique to the purchaser, and the criteria is different for every purchaser.  I equate this to the graphic design world (my wife is a graphic designer) and Adobe's product line.  Adobe Photoshop is around $700, while Adobe Elements is more like $99.  For my wife, a professional, Photoshop is a good value, even at $700.  For my sister, Elements is more than she'll need and may even be overpirced for her at $99.

To each their own...

Jeff

 
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1/5/2008 1:02 PM
 

Joe Brinkman wrote

 Jeff W wrote

 

Anybody who gets market share of 5th on down will go out of business or be inconsequential like any other category.

Good point on DNN 5.0 in Jan 2009, though... will the market still be deciding then? Will there be an enterprise worthy DNN solution by then? Will that game be over?

 

Using this analysis, DotNetNuke would be deemed inconsequential in the CMS market.  I don't think you will find many in this forum who would agree with that sentiment. 

It doesn't matter how entrenched existing market players may be, there is always room for a new upstart with a good idea who is able to execute.  As many people found out during the dotcom boom, you do not have to be the first in the market to eventually win.  You also don't have to be one of the top dogs in order to build a very respectable business.  How many players existed in the CRM market before SugarCRM entered the space?  While they may not be one of the largest players in the market, they have a business that is doing very well and which will be around for a good while.  Clearly MySQL has done OK despite going head-to-head with Microsoft, Oracle and IBM.  JBOSS was very late to the Application Server market and is now one of the top products in that space, and yet companies like HP ended up dropping their app-server offering despite having a very early lead over JBOSS.  Need I even mention Eclipse?  Visual Cafe and JBuilder had huge followings before Eclipse entered the scene.  A few years later and both of those products are either dead or dying and Eclipse is the market leader in Java IDEs.

DotNetNuke may not be the first to the Enterprise Social Networking market, but that doesn't mean we cannot be successful.

Good stuff, thanks. I do not mean to say that DNN has lost its chance to be that disruptive product in the enterprise market (again, where I think we should all realize the real money is waiting). I would simply guess that it is inconsequencial as the current market deems the top enterprise CMS tools. I am certainly no expert on that one, though, and could be mistaken or just talking out my rear.

On another note: I want to thank ALL of you who have participated in this conversation. Really a wonderful collection of thoughts. Growing up on the farm, my daddy used to always say "Don't ever gripe about a problem unless you are prepared to offer potential solutions." In this case, I'm really not smart or technical enough to offer solutions... I can just make out the business problem of wanting DNN to be taken seriously at the enterprise level... and getting real cash into the DNN ecosystem to feed these really talented developers already in the community.

So, I'm really interested to hear what everyone has to say on this one and hope it hasn't been a waste of time.

Thanks!
Jeff

 
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