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8/22/2013 8:03 PM
 

The biggest gripe is (and every body misses the point, especially DNN Corp.) is that DNN Corp acquires the best modules out there, takes them off market and offers them only to its Evoq Social customers. If they have created Evoq Social without acquiring ActiveModule then it was a different story.

The customers who bought these modules, based their entire website around these modules are left stranded because their is no future support or new enhancements coming. Also, they make sure that upgrading DNN will break these modules(?). People who worked years to create and build these websites are left with no choice but to upgrade/lose the modules/look for other solutions. All these years of work go to waste.

This is a douche baggy move but I wont say it because I will be banned or reprimanded for saying that (mind your language while we don't mind out business eithics). So no, I am not saying that but it does suck. Honestly, I won't even blame DNN Corp. for doing that. They are in business to make money and they have to appease their greedy investors plus we were never DNN Corp.'s customers. However, the owners who sell their modules to DNN Corp. without protecting their existing customer base's interest are unethical.
Moreover, DNN Corp refuses that they are in module business. They just sell "solutions." Evoq Social is not bunch of modules integrated together. No, Sir. It's a solution. I mean, who does that? Who say's stuff like that? Either they think community is full of idiots or I think they are just ....... not going to say it.
Please please stop telling us that all of ActiveSocial was incorporated in DNNPlatform. I can at least list 25 features that are not in the platform that we paid for as customers of ActiveModules. Please stop telling us that by making ActiveForum a open source you did us a favor cause have you seen the progress in the last 2 years? There is a reason Module Vendors are in business cause 90% of the community cant do Jack S%^& with the source code. I am sure you know that but no ride on that high horse and feel better about yourself and feel generous. That will last.
Basically, ActiveModules screwed its customers by selling its module to DNN Corp. and later DNN Corp. made sure that the ActiveModule customers stay screwed. So many ActiveModules' loyal customer's websites went offline. So many loyal ActiveModules' customers' are looking for another solutions. All because someone got greedy and decided to not care about the people who paid (for years) to get these modules. Nobody cared about years of loyalty. Where are the morals? If you can sellout once you can sellout every time.
Great community leadership there, DNN Corp. We should all trust and believe in you.
 
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8/22/2013 9:03 PM
 

@Frozen DNN.. Many people agree with you on that but at the same time I don't think it's wrong for DNN to offer their own modules.  They also have the freedom to buy the rights to any product just like everyone else can. 

DNN is filling a need that large corporations have and by filling that need they expand the community (until they hide the platform on the main site).  The problem really isn't that DNN purchased the module or what they did with it but that nobody has stepped up to fill in the gap.  Maybe I am at fault, several people have asked me in the past to do that but I didn't see much of a demand so I didn't take it seriously.  Plus, it would be a huge project.  If I do it, it has to be exceedingly better not just "as good".

I think the problem may actually be that there isn't enough communication between what the community needs and what developers are building. If a Forums Module is what people want (at an affordable price) then I'll build it.  But the community needs a way  to be vocal about what they need like what others have suggested on this thread.  I'm not sure it would be wise to build and entire site for this but maybe we can start with a new thread in General Discussion and see where it goes from there.



Professional DNN Extensions, custom solutions and mobile apps since 2003.
www.OnyakTech.com
 
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8/23/2013 3:01 AM
 

Dear all,

i'm following this thread since a while now and thought i'd put my 2 cents into it.
Actually, i do understand both sides of the Party. First of all Evoq is a commercial Product which relied on Venture Capital to be able to get into the market. At one point of time this Venture Capital wants it's money back. Period.

I remember a brief discussion with Declan in Belgium around this about 2 years ago. We asked ourselves how many Licenses have to be sold to keep a Company of that size up and running...and we came to a quite bif number.

On the other hand i totally agree to the point that DotNetNuke has stated as an OpenSource Project and was driven in big parts by it's excellent Community. BY the way, one of the most thriving Communities i've ever met since i'm in that Business. For me it is absolutely no question that, if the DNN Community editions will not be further developed (through whoever this will be, Corp or Community) even Evoq will suffer from loosing this huge force in the Background.

I currently recognize tendencies which are splitting things between Evoq and DNN. I'm currently undecided if that is something good to happen or not. Future will show, i guess.

Anyhow, i think the DNN Community Edition is the key to success even for the Commercial Versions, and i really hope that this will also be taken seriously within the Corp. All these statement from Shawn, Erik and others show this very Positive. I hope that the future will show that a equal coexistence between Evoq and DNN is possible.



Herzliche Grüße aus Hückelhoven
Frank Wahl
www.eagleworx.net

EagleworX.net
 
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8/23/2013 3:21 AM
 

What I find interesting is that we have to completely different perspectives here.

There is DNN Corp who says that a lot of improvements, especially for the community, evolved with the recent brand changes and that the visibility of the free platform has never been better.

Then there is the community where a lot of members cannot seem to experience those improvements and feel lost.

While DNN Corp might have implemented a bunch of improvements, be it on the website itself or be it internal structures that might lead to improvements in the long run, DNN Corp should respect that they must have done something wrong if many people do either not appreciate or cannot observe those positive changes.

There are a few aspects that one can simple not rationalize away.

  • A newbie coming to the DNN website does not get any kind of indicator that there is free version of DNN available and that this free version actually is a piece of software that you can download, install and run, out of the box. All the links on the homepage are leading to resources that tell visitors about a commercial product
  • While it might hold true that DNN platform is nothing more than a platform, a platform is for most people not a working product. A platform is something you have to extend on in order to get a fully operational software that you can do things with. That is why the name change to DNN platform was a bad move, at least from a marketing point of view. DNN platform de-facto IS a fully operational website after installing it and the way the new website is setup this fact is sort of ignored and hidden to the public
  • When it comes to community a visitor’s first impression will be that there is not much in there. You have to dig down quite a bit in the site structure and find those little links at the top to actually enter those areas of the site that most people will be interested in: Community Exchange, Community Voice and discussions.
  • If you compare the community and company blog sections on the website, you will get the visual indicator of what seems to be more important content. The community blogs look like someone has move the old blogs to a new software just so that it is there without any love. No structure whatsoever, no tagging, no authors view. Now go to the company blog and notice that it’s all there.

On a side note, what is also very interesting, is that the new website of DNN does look fantastic. From a design point of view I love it very much. But, it is noteworthy that building and maintain a site like that with DNN is a very hard job. No way can a regular site editor manage the content with that kind of design by using a common rich text editor. There is a lot of html fiddling taken place here and DNN still has a long way to go when it comes to easy usage of the platform. DNN is easy to install, easy to extend and it is also very powerful and feature rich. It is certainly not easy to use though.

My personal conclusion though is “Don’t worry”. DNN Corp is a company, they want and need to make money so they can pay their bills and staff and make investors happy. What we make out of that is up to us. Changes are sometimes difficult and not everybody likes them, but most of the time a change will also provide opportunities to improve something yourself. A development company leaving the market most likely has done a bad job in operating its business, one cannot blame DNN Corp for that. A business being bought by another company is something that happens every day out in the economical world. That’s just how it works. What surprises me much more is that the gaps left behind by these deals have not been filled by other businesses. Building extensions like ActiveForums, URLMaster or another DMS is no rocket science; most developers would be able to do that. As I said, changes are also an opportunity, but no one seems to be picking up those opportunities.

Look at EVOQ content for example. A vertical solution for a hell lot of money. But what does it offer, technically? A few extensions compared to DNN platform that a single developer can build in a few days and I’m pretty sure it could even much more powerful that what EVOQ content offers.

I have not seen a single vertical solution like EVOQ Content on the market. I know that people package their own DNN solution and give it to their clients. But the ecosystem has the absolute right (and power!) to create its own solutions and sell them. Why do we care so much what DNN Corp is doing? If you have a business around DNN then you should care much more about your business than about DNN Corp’s business.

 


Cheers,
Philipp Becker, Peppertree Solutions
 
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8/23/2013 3:31 AM
 
If there are no developers who want to build modules like ActiveForums or URLMaster then my conclusion is that there is no market big enough so that people can make money there. I have always been a little surprised about the number of clients such companies have, I doubt it is good business.
 
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