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8/16/2013 2:01 PM
 

Cathal,

I hear you. I imagine there has been a lot of internal debate at DNNCorp about DNNPlatform features and Evoq features and bridging the gap (on not, it seems) between the two in some ways.

It seems DNNCorp isn't really listening here though. Justify/deflect/redirect but DNNCorp is hellbent on pushing Evoq without any slightly closer parity to the underlying DNNPlatform (in features or costs) and thus alienating the larger community.

From my point of view, put out a presentation that allows one to do THIS with the 7.1.1 DNNPlatform and I'd be happier. A presentation "socialising" the DNNPlatform with what is now provided "out the box".  A second presentation on content features of DNNPlaform would help many too, I'd imagine.

Bridging the "information gap" would be a big start here.

 
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8/16/2013 2:27 PM
 
Dear Cathal,

Everything that you say is okay.
But there is one major thing, which we didn't get any answer from DNNCorp until now: Why do you PUBLISH us for your growth?
Why do you buy modules, and take them out of the store, so we cannot use them anymore? How can we build a trusted relationship between us when you act like this?

People want to know that when they purchase a solution, it will have support and a future, so they can count on it.

Everytime you write that Evoq is a different product, and think: So if they built it from scratch, why did they take out the module we were using and blocked them from us?
 
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8/16/2013 2:55 PM
 

First and foremost, thank you Cathal for jumping into a sticking with what is always going to be an awkward conversation.

I think Shai's most recent post is a pivotal one. Most people using DNN aren't developers and I hear you when you say DNN Corp have invested a lot in the development of the platform - that's been clearly evident over the years (particularly the early years!). But the problem is you don't have the thriving community of developers you once had - I don't see that changing.

Just look at the modules being created and marketed on the store, they'll mainly wedged into the same types of modules and there's no diversity, no meat to most of them. I mean how many social button modules, image sliders and article/news/blog options do we need?

Shai's point is the best modules and developers have been absorbed int the DNN machine and there aren't any alternatives available. Active Social is gone. UrlMaster is gone. ActiveForums is a broken shell of what it was/can be. The only reason DMX is still around is because you already bought the other, competing module (and that's gone too). And who is going to start from scratch and develop a competing Social suite of modules or a Forum for that matter? That wouldn't be for the faint of heart nor should it be undertaken by a single developer who then gets married, has a kids and abandons the project.

DNN Corp needs to (somehow) encourage new development blood into the community and that will only likely come about if there is some money to be made creating modules. How about creating a Community voice type module where you can post and vote on needed functionality/modules, have developers bid on it and allow the community to donate or set a bounty for a developer or a team to do the development? All source created should be publicly available and free (or made available to those that contribute) - ala kickstarter. You can also seek out corporate sponsors for some of these modules (or some of the codeplex modules languishing dormant).

All I can say is I haven't seen a decent new module come out for DNN in the store in ages and DNN Corp has cherry picked the best modules and talent and effectively sealed the door behind them. That may not be there intention, but that's how it feels to me (and others it would seem to). Think the gap can be closed pretty quickly and effectively with a little effort from the mothership, but without affordable, well designed and functional modules mad available, then the platform will die.

I  hope you all have a good weekend. TJ.

 
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8/16/2013 3:21 PM
 
How did I write "Publish" instead of "punish"... Dahhhhhh... too many computer hours lately.... :-O

What I really meant to say is that we're being punished for the sake of DNNCorp's growth and success.

To take out the best modules, without even leave us an option to buy them from the store is to punish us.
 
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8/16/2013 3:45 PM
 
I would be really happy to get a reasonable answer to the question:

What is the business plan behind the decision of acquiring modules and then stoping the community from using it?

What do you get from this anyway? We know what we (don't) get from this...

I mean, You didn't really think that if you take it out of the public store and put it exclusively in Evoq, this will make us want to purchase Evoq when we can't afford it anyway, did you?
 
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