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7/13/2005 9:43 PM
 
Chris Paterra


Joined: 4/5/2003
Posts: 4377

viechinguyen wrote
Hi,
instead of chit - chatting, why don't you supporter guys just give us an detailed instruction on installing the forums and gallery?

Actually, in the previous version of the forum, i made avatar appeared on posts by changing a directory name(don't remember exactly, sorry). But since i installed the newest version, don't know why i just couldn't made it again. Or is it an incompatible between forums 3.1 and gallery 3.0.10?

Cheers,

It is not my desire to chit chat about support issues.  There is no detailed instructions on the modules because they install the same as any other DNN module.  There were definately a few issues with these release, especially gallery on install.  The gallery had a bad biz controller class which is fixed in source but releasing it is something we are working on.  The forums install fine but they do have their errors which we are fixing as well. 

The problem of installation is that something was changed in dnn core that affected these modules.  This we did not explicity declare which is what the support nightmare is about.  In future releases, the DNN Core 3.01 or later will be in the readme.txt. 

 

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7/13/2005 9:51 PM
 
Chris Paterra


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Presstopia wrote
 Crispy wrote
FTB's build in smiley buttons?  I know nothing of this, not saying it doesn't exist but this also poses another problem: What if the user isn't using FTB?


I thought it did since Community Server uses FTB and it has a Smiley drop-down, although I'm not sure if it's a custom toolbar item or not. I actually use FCKEditor for my DNN site and FCK has a smiley button which works great.

 Crispy wrote
First off, the current gallery needs to change to be more secure.  This will require it using the DNN File Manager and no more custom upload mechanism.



Which frankly is another reason I think the Forum should provide it's own image upload functionality. Users typically don't want to wrestle with a gallery application to simply add an image to their posts. They want a simple, idiot-proof dialog with a "Browse" and an "Upload" button. This is what I ended up writing since my users complained constantly about the whole image upload process. Fortunately FCKeditor allows you to specify a custom image gallery script so substituting the gallery for my own upload mechanism was fairly easy.

Here's a thought... In the forum settings where you configure the forum/gallery integration, give the site admin the option to choose between using the core gallery, or using an external script (the admin would then have to specify the URL of the external script). This way 3rd party developers (or the site admin) could write custom modules to handle these functions if they want, without having to change the core forum code.

The idea of the appliation having its own upload mechanism at all is a security concern.  The ability to upload images or anything for that matter, should be handled from one place as far as security is concerned. 

I am not knocking what you are saying at all, but I hope you understand that you have to think about things from the perspective of all and not just yourself.  This is one of the more difficult aspects of doing dnn core work.  Now, we are integrating it into our roadmap a way to remove any association with the gallery.  I think this would be achieved via some sort of provider API model, but no decisions have been made.  Scripts are definately not the answer here, there are much better ways.  Adding functionality is a painfully slow process as we have to handle what the module already does first. 

I think the forums have come very far in a little amount of time, but I definately see plenty of room for improvement.  Perhaps I am just the half filled glass type of person though.  Keep in mind, this module is only 6 months old and is not your typical dnn module. 

 

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7/14/2005 12:01 AM
 
Vazzie van Zijl

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No problem, Crispy! You guys are doing a marvelous (and thankless) job and I'm just letting you know what feedback I have been receiving from my users, and (as a developer myself) how I think it can best be addressed so we don't bug you so much .

Just to clarify though, when I say the forum should "use it's own image upload mechanism" I meant one that does not require the Gallery to be installed. If such a mechanism comes in the form of a DNN upload provider, then great! I like that idea. However, if such a provider does not materialize then it would still be better if the forum functionality currently provided by the Gallery (smileys and avatar/image uploads) existed wholly within the forum itself. It's clunky to have to install the Gallery module just to get smileys on one's forum, as an example. I'm sure most people would agree.

PS : Allowing 3rd party scripts (modules, or plugins) to optionally replace parts of the core forum functionality would make the forums more extensible (much like DNN's modules make DNN more extensible) and I think developers would love it. It may raise the interest in the forum module considerably (and take some of the load off you at the same time). Just my 2 cents.
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7/14/2005 9:40 PM
 
Nguyen Viet Trung

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Joined: 3/26/2005
Posts: 33

Hi,

I'm really sorry Crispy for my words. I understand that you did work hard to support us. I'm really regret about it.

 Yes like you said, maybe some changes in the core code have affected some modules. In the previous version of the forums, i had a little problem having avatar on posts, but then i resolved it by changing a little in the folder name. But now it seems that that solution doesn't work anymore. However, i have found out that the core code is not the only problem in this case.

Currently i'm using DotNetNuke 3.0.13 due to some bugs in version 3.1. The forums modules' version is 3.1 (i had to modify a bit the .dnn file to have the modules work on DNN 3.0.13), but it seems that the avatar portion of the new forums version is different from the previous version. The previous version of DNN have problems with avatar too, but it still displays the broken image link in the place of the avatar, but in this version, is nothing.

 

 

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7/15/2005 1:20 AM
 
Chris Paterra


Joined: 4/5/2003
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Presstopia,  the feedback is much appreciated even though I may not always express it that way.

Your idea of script is going to be handled a different way in an upcomming dnn version. 

We have thought very long about where this module is lacking.  It is currently undergoing performance enhancements.  Prior to very recently, we have spent time converting the module to dnn 3, then to core.  After that went some time where it was enhancements and making the module work properly.  The latest focus has been still to keep fixing bugs, but also determine problems only seen in a fairly hi volume enviroment.  Security concerns, not problems, are being address now as well.  This will take the module to a better level where we can then focus on breaking things out further and moving what we can to a provider model. This is also the way we are approaching the gallery.  We also have been spending time on automating things like the packaging of the modules can now be done via a nAnt build file for the source and installable PA.  This helps to take out the human error factor. 

I see the ability to integrate a module of this magnitude with other modules through an API as something that must happen soon.  This, IMO, is an important next step after stabilization.  During this process is where ideas for further enhacement are considered and eventually roadmapped. 

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