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3/28/2007 6:20 AM
 

wtatters wrote
Ummm that was kinda the point - DNN4 is still built in largely around VS2003 last I checked - and you could count on one hand the commercial modules that provide source code that is prebuilt and ready to EDIT in VS2005.


DNN has allot of areas which are built around VS2003, but works without a problem in VS2005... and more and more functionalities which are .NET 2.0 specific are being built in every day since the inception of DNN4. The fact that it was built with VS2003 doesn't mean it has problems being edited in VS2005. As for commercial modules, there I am not sure... mostly we develop our own solutions and lately they are ALL on DNN4 only so I can't really say.

As for the source not being there for DNN4... I can understand that, I expect source to appear like that only now or in the near future, simply because developers had to support DNN3 enviroment, and it's easier to leave a DNN3 module on .NET 1.1 and just build it to have .NET 2.0 support then add .NET 2.0 features and then scale down just to support DNN3. But, as DNN3 is dropped from development I think now also module developers will be able to stop supporting old versions and go .NET 2.0 all the way (some of them already have).

wtatters wrote
As more people move to VISTA like platforms and discover that VS2003 and vista dont mix - then we are much more likely to finally see a full move to VS2005 ... or maybe VS2007 / ORCA.


What do you consider a full move? If everything works fine in VS2005, and if you have options to develop modules... what more do you want? The whole core project to be rewritten?

Plus, DNN3 was dropped from development, what more could be a full move?

wtatters wrote
But till then - developing in VS2005 can be a bit of a challenge for new users - especailly given the problems and confusing so many of them seem to have about how to even get started given the various and not nescessarily compatible development methodologies currently being offer from WAP to DYNAMIC to your own DNN stub soliuton.


My solution is THE WAP solution  It is not DNN stub... DNN stub is something built by Nik from Speerio for DNN3

Module development is challenging itself, it doesn't have to do ANYTHING with the current state of the core, or anything similar. Especially if the user is a beginner. Nothing will change that... not Whidbey, not Orcas.

Also, together with Michael's tutorials, my own WAP approach, Module Developers Guide I only think users have a better choice to chose what they see fit...

wtatters wrote
But the varying methodologies only seem to get people more confused than ever.

Why? The documentation is clear on the options, plus the community ones are an added bonus as a better solution in most cases. In my opinion this current problem doesn't have to do anything with the confussion in the development arena of DNN4.

If the user is not clear with himself what approach to use, or how each of them works he should read the documentation or post questions to the forums (which this was).


Ok have to get back to work...

 


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Vladan Strigo
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3/28/2007 8:07 AM
 

wtatters wrote
But the varying methodologies only seem to get people more confused than ever.

Vladan Strigo wrote:
Why? The documentation is clear on the options, plus the community ones are an added bonus as a better solution in most cases. In my opinion this current problem doesn't have to do anything with the confussion in the development arena of DNN4

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thats your opinion - but - sadly not the way it seems for a number of people trying to understand what to them is a very confusing environment. 

But regardless - yes I agree that module development can be difficult - and what people are looking for is ways to get a leg up - thru working with example code in the only currently only new dev environment available to them - being VS2005.

So i guess it still come back to the same point.

Lets take 4.4.1 - when you download the source you dont get the module source code - for say the HTML module.  Its available as a seperate download - but not as a VS2005 solution.

This is confusing to a new user ...

SO as to what I would really like to see for new users who download the DNN4.x source code - is a set of VS2005 solutions for all the CORE modules - in a standardised format that they can use as the basis of there development explorations.

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As to will this become a reality - only time will tell - as DNN evolves.

>>>>

Look dont get me wrong - I really like the DNN framework having being building modules and sites for customers thru 2.x 3.x and 4.x - but I can also appreciate how confusing a lot of how the system may be to new users.

Westa

 

 
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3/28/2007 8:23 AM
 

Hmm... I agree it would be good.

Maybe something can be done about it? One idea is that you add an issue to Gemini which describes this idea, and why it is important. What do you think?

 


Thanks,
Vladan Strigo
NETMedia

My website: Vladan.Strigo.NET

Vladan.Strigo.NET: Projects
* Advanced VS2005 development approach - BlankModule
* DNN & Microsoft Ajax best practices guidance

Vladan.Strigo.NET: Resources
* Comprehensive list of DNN 4 Module development resources

 
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3/28/2007 9:15 AM
 
Vladan Strigo wrote

alessio.pauri wrote
I'm new with DNN, and I need to extend some modules. I've installed the source code for DNN, and it works as it should. However when I tried to debug it, I found I was unable to debug modules' code. This seems to be caused by the fact that I'm not compiling them correctly; in fact I have the dlls, but if I try to remove them and compile them again, it fails to find the dlls.

Now, I could be wrong, but I've come to think the problem is that most of the modules are not made to work under VS2005 (infact their solutions are for VS 7.1), and this seems confirmed by the fact that there are no vb under the App_Code subfolder. Is this right? What should I do to quickly convert the modules in VS2005/DDN4 format?

You can check out my tutorials (the link is in the sig) on how to develop modules for DNN4, as well as you can check out my resources page (link in the sig), there you will find another tutorial from a fellow community contributor on how to convert DNN3 modules to DNN4.

If you still have problems after reading these, let us know the behavior you are experiencing and we will try to help you.



Thank you! I've followed the instructions on this page:

http://dnnla.nesinteractivos.com/Desarrollo/DNNLibrary/tabid/88/TID/13/cid/12/Default.aspx

And seems like I've resolved most of the issues: now along my DNN4.0 solution I have the UserDefinedTable Project (the one I'm interested in); all necessary files are in the DesktopModules subfolder, the UDT project compiles the dll correctly, and I can build the web site too.

However, I still have a problem: I've managed to make the project compile and everything, but I fail to import the UDT module in the portal. I ran the SQL needed to create the tables, but when I select "Create New Module" from the module definitions I can't find the UDT in the drop down box. I think that's because I don't have the .dnn file... but the instructions on that page told me to delete it.. If I has to use THAT one, do I have to modify something into it? And where do I have to put it? Otherwise, what do I need to do to register the module within the portal?
 
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3/28/2007 1:52 PM
 
Alessio, the tutorial does not tell you to delete the module .dnn file, it instructs you to delete the template .dnn file.

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