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6/5/2007 12:47 PM
 

brian wrote

SourceForge downloads show 0, are they tracking it behind the scenes?      Are they tracking by ip?   I know I personally download to 3 different computers from there and there is no required login.

So, until the report is published, how can we know how many unique people downloaded 4.5.1? 

I think you answered your own question by citing how you download -- you can't. If there is no login requirement and no way to identify a unique "person," it is not possible to obtain the metric accurately.

This is why it's important to look at adoption versus any individual metric such as registrations, downloads, forum posts etc.

Nik

 


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6/5/2007 12:56 PM
 

I think you are correct in that the Forum is the hub of the community, or our "Town Hall" if you will.

I also believe that the participation here is severly stiffled because of the moderation imposed.  
Participation is self perpetuating if not bottlenecked through moderation.

The main argument from those in control is that they do not want spam in the forums.  I can tell you first hand from previous experience as a moderator of these forums that the amount of spam blocked by moderators is next to nothing.

When a first time user comes to the forum and has to wait for their post to get moderated (sometimes for many hours), then it's not going to be a process they will repeat.  If on the other hand they were allowed to post, and someone was allowed to respond right away then the momentum would build.  Same goes for those who want to help.  Unless you spend enough time to get "trusted" for posting an answer then your answers will go into the moderation queue only to have someone that is not moderated answer after you. Pretty frustrating.

The next rebuttal will be that you will be marked as trusted after a very few amount of posts.  My answer to that is that first impressions are everything.  No one knows when they will become trusted, and it is much easier to just not bother trying to answer questions.


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6/5/2007 1:19 PM
 

John Mitchell wrote

The main argument from those in control is that they do not want spam in the forums.  I can tell you first hand from previous experience as a moderator of these forums that the amount of spam blocked by moderators is next to nothing.

John, that's not quite true. Apparently I'm the top moderator here so perhaps my view is skewed, but so far today I have deleted more than a dozen posts that either contained spam or cross-site scripting attempts (In addition I've deleted another handful of duplicates and moved some posts that users attempted to post into the updates forum)  IMHO if we did not have a moderation queue the spam attempts would grow exponentially becuase of the size of the community and an attempt to piggyback on our high google pagerank.


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6/5/2007 1:25 PM
 

i should have mentioned that I'm not adverse to changing the moderation policy, i'm just being a realist. i'll raise this as an issue for the core chat and see if we can perhaps come up with some options e.g.perhaps we could create a 'free for all' unmoderated forum for those unwilling to wait (though at present any posts in the moderation queue are moderated in minutes, and not hours usually [notwithstanding the known forums issue which has been fixed for the next release])

Cathal


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6/5/2007 1:27 PM
 

>> I also believe that the participation here is severly stiffled because of the moderation imposed. 

I do not believe that participation is "stiffled" (sic) because of the moderation imposed. Either way, there is no factual basis to prove or disprove the premise. The only way to do it would be to turn off moderation and that is not going to happen.

>> The main argument from those in control is that they do not want spam in the forums.

That is not the main argument, it is merely a goal which appears to have been achieved on an ongoing basis since most spam is moderated out. Spam in the general sense is not the only problem moderation addresses. There are posts made to the wrong forum, posts with excessive commercial messaging, posts that are not in accordance with the forums guidelines, posts that cross the line of civil conversation, posts that are disruptive to the community...the list goes on. For any online community forums with a large number of members, there has to be a filter to ensure that chaos does not ensue. The site quoted earlier is a great example. Dpreview.com does not have moderation, but it has a pretty good up-front filter...you cannot register with a public email address (i.e. you must have a private domain email or ISP email). This is an up-front deterrent as anonymity is no longer guaranteed.

Different communities choose different ways to protect their community forums. We have chosen moderation because it's effective and works for these forums.

Nik

 


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