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10/18/2007 12:05 PM
 

Quick update:  we've been in several times and so far so good.  But I'm reminded of one of our family's guiding principles:  "DON'T GLOAT"

 

 
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10/18/2007 12:26 PM
 

lousaint wrote

The LOGIN issue:  FYI for anyone following this posting:

After I was told that, for the 5th time in 4 days, I would have to reinstall DNN, I removed DNN completely from my existing site and opened a new one at a completely different hosting service.  We are starting all over.  Meanwhile, when I asked why the db keeps becoming corrupted I was told:

"For the DNN modules, the reason for the reinstall is needed would be the login module got corrupted and it's a known bug for the DNN that does not have any solutions to fix at this moment." 

Since REGISTER/LOGIN are our visitors' first introduction to our company, I certainly hope my former host is WRONG!   But at least DNN is now isolated so that, if it goes down, our visitors can still access our stuff hosted elsewhere.   We move forward hoping all this DNN-related stuff settles down.  With 1000's of users I can't believe DNN's LOGIN function doesn't work, but we'll see, won't we.

I'd be interested in seeing how this works out on your new host. As for the login being a known bug, I don't know how true that is, i've not seen any other reports apart from yours. There are cases where people can't log into their sites (i.e. due to forgetting passwords, or not copying their machinekey's when upgrading), but the login functionality still exists and works. As you suggest there are thousands of users with millions of sites who are not seeing this issue, which (usually) means it's something specific to that hosting provider i.e. they're trying to run in an unsupported environment e.g. in a webfarm without implementing the webfarm settings.

Cathal


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10/18/2007 1:09 PM
 

Thanks for your interest, Cathal.   I had posted an update saying "so far, so good."  But, it just happened again at my new host.  I've opened a critical support ticket (see below).

Subject: LOGIN
Category: DotNetNuke Website
Ticket Description:

I opened my PowerDNN account primarily because my DNN db kept getting corrupted and neither Login or Register would work. Clicking them merely caused the home page to refresh.
It just happened again. I cannot log in.
But this time maybe there's a reason. I went in and modified some settings. One of those was "login page" which was originally set to "none". I clicked the dropdown and changed it to HOME.
Bad move? Do you think that caused REGISTER/LOGIN to no longer work?
Note: I never made that same change with my old site, and still the login module corrupted my db 4 times.
 
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10/18/2007 3:08 PM
 

lousaint wrote

We're experiencing and posting several problems with 4.5.3 to which we're receiving no replies:

1) the most unnerving:  suddenly without warning and for no apparent reason neither LOGIN nor REGISTER work anymore; instead, the page simply refreshes.  Our hosting service has installed DNN four times, now.  Our work is trashed and we have to start over each time.  We see that several other people are having the same problem but there're no replies suggesting possible causes or solutions.

Based on your other comments posted in this thread, including the comment from the vendor that told you there is a big with the login module.  I would gather that a "login" page and "Registration" page was set in the "Site Settings" that did not have the appropriate module on the page.  This is a VERY common issue for someone to update the login page to a page without a login module, this might appear to be a critical error, however you can VERY easily with 1 SQL Script fix the issue and get back into your DNN site without re-installing DotNetNuke. 

I have the detailed instructions on how to get back in on my website http://www.mitchelsellers.com if you happen to need them

2) it takes several minutes for our website to come up for the first time each day; sometimes, it timesout and fails to come up at all.  Our host says "when DNN first loads, all 2800 files must go into memory.  Thereafter, it's fine."  Is this true?  Note: after the first load, subsequent loads come up quickly.

As mentioned above you will want to get a keep-alive service to prevent your site from unloading.  This is an ASP.NET issue and is common to ALL ASP.NET applications after 20 minutes of inactivity. Also as you noted in a later post it isn't 2800 files, but the files needed for DNN to run, and the complied assembly.

3) because of "1" we've had to go into our DNN database and do things manually.  For example, we deleted some of our own links and images.  But when we go back to our site, they are still there.  Is there some way we can "refresh" so that the deleted items will no longer appear?

Depending on what you changed yes there is caching implemented in the DNN front end and it can take 10-30 minutes for it to clear, depending on what exactly it is that you changed.  I personally HIGHLY recommend only changing the database as a last resort as there are many risks associated with direct database modification.  If you do update via the database you can restart the application to clear the cache, you can do this by pressing the "Restart Application" link in Host Settings or by adding a space to your web.config file and re-saving it.

4) the Guided Tour's dropdown list of available modules includes "Gallery."  Our site's list does not.  Is there, in fact, a Gallery module?

Starting with DotNetNuke 4.4.1 DNN started only installing needed modules to reduce the overhead of the first install.  If you need the gallery module you can get this from the "Downloads" section of this site.

5) we have several non-DNN applications installed on our host just below our root (just like and on the same level as DNN).  We cannot get some of these applications to run; yet, they were running fine prior to DNN being installed.   The apps that are simple .html run fine.  The ASP.NET apps, particularly those with their own SQL2005 databases and default.aspx are giving us problems.  In some cases we can run them from our browser, but not from URL Links within DNN.

This is a configuration that can cause a lot of trouble.  If you are going to share structures with DNN, I would ensure that the DNN folder is created as its own virtual directory and I would refrain from putting any other applications inside the DNN folder.


-Mitchel Sellers
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10/18/2007 3:20 PM
 

Hi,

I haven't gone through the complete post, but i experienced something similiar with the login and register functionality.

When i set the user login page in portal settings I could not login or register , it just kept refreshing  the page.

Try setting the userlogin page to blank and see if it re-occurs.  Setting it to blank allow users to register and login again.

 

 
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