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2/6/2006 7:47 AM
 

Do we have a chance to see a sub-forum here dedicated to DNN hosting and comparative studies of DNN ISPs?
Why do we have to post our good and bad experiences with hosts here and there?
Isn't deployment to a remote server the final aim of any DNN user?

 
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2/9/2006 3:01 AM
 

It would be exceptionally difficult for us to ensure "fair and balanced" usage of a such a forum.  So while we don't discourage folks from chatting about hosts ( unless things get out of hand ), we can't ( in good conscience ) set up a dedicated resource which would be highly subject to abuse.

I believe it WOULD be beneficial to provide "comparitive studies of DNN ISP's".  But we have no objective studies to refer to at this point.  Although there are myriad comparitive services for hosts out there, in general.  I would put this on our "would really like to do" list, but also on our "no available resources" list for the forseeable future.

We are open to ideas.

btw ~ The hosted remote server is ONE use case for DotNetNuke.  Probably its most visible one ( certainly in these types of forums ), but not necessarily the largest or most rigorous.


Scott Willhite, Co-Founder DNN

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly... what is essential is invisible to the eye. "
~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

 
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2/10/2006 5:00 AM
 

I really thank you, Scott, for your reply.
No, really.
Why?
Cause I asked this question several times and never got a reply.
I see the problem differently now.

You say "fair and balanced usage", and I have to admit that I have confidence in the community members.
What do you fear exactly?
That some agitators come to insult each other.
I've never seen insults since (wait a minute I check on asp.net forums...) january 2003.

When time has come to deploy our websites, we feel so lonely in front of our screens.
I finally found my host after weeks of interrogations. But I don't want someone else (above all here in Europe with so few dotnet ISPs) to flick a coin and cross fingers hoping he/she made the right choice.
I think we can share positive experiences.
And if you need one or two dogs to bite some legs, well, you just have to ask (I'm not necessarily talking about me ;o).

 
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2/11/2006 11:38 AM
 
Bill2Clone wrote

What do you fear exactly?

Hi Bill ~ You've been around a while, I suspect you realize that we fear exactly nothing... *grin*

It's just a simple matter of taking responsibility for the things we do, or enable other folks to do.  We also trust our users.  But the the human dynamic of forums is that the "squeaky wheels get the oil".  It's been fun to be watching the UsersOnline stats from the front page.  At any given moment, we usually have about 150 authenticated users on the site, some posting... but I've seen as many as 5000 lurkers ( non-authenticated users ).  We do feel some obligation to ensure that if we provide resources ( whether those are "hard" resources like code / documentation, or soft ones like available forums or Wiki, etc ) to support and manage those effectively.

As I indicated, we're very happy for folks to post about their experiences, positive and negative in a general forum if they feel led to do so.  But allowing folks to post in a general forum, and creating a feature for it specifically are not the same thing.  Here are a few questions to ask yourself if you are an "owner" of a site as to whether you want to make an offering like that...

  • Would it comprehensively address the issue?  It would not cover everyone, merely those who were posted about.  And so in some ways could also be considered a disservice because it doesn't give comprehensive coverage.
  • Would it be fair, even to those who are represented?  Maybe, maybe not.  While nobody likes to hear about a bad experience, I've occasionally had a bad experience with a very good provider ( in any industry )... sometimes things just happen.  Human nature dictates that we usually hear about the bad things, and "no news is good news".
  • There is much speculation in the hosting community that folks plant a lot of self-promotion and / or manipulate public rating tools.  I would like to hope this is not true of anyone hosting for DNN, but the fact is that it is a viable market niche and some folks will do anything to make a quick buck.
  • Are our resources better spent doing other things?  There is no shortage of things for us to be doing, and managing a forum and the kinds of potential issues that can arise ( especially when merging customers / partners ) is not a distraction that we want to tackle at the moment.
  • Is it fair to our benefactors, sponsors and advertisers?  All of those folks have put both their money and their personal commitment "where their mouth is".  While its not an endorsement, it should be one of those factors that indicates a character quality of a host... about the only tangible characteristic we can provide at the moment.

As I indicated before, it's not at all that we don't think a resource for helping locate a DNN host is not a good idea.  It would be great.  We just don't believe that an open forum is a good solution for that.  And we don't have the resources to commission the kind of resource we'd rather see.  Now, if you would like to work with some folks to establish some sort of "yardstick", an objective questionnaire or list of quantitative/qualitative measurements that specifically address DNN hosting... that would be interesting.  Perhaps we could make some progress toward a more comprehensive solution.

Thanks for taking the time to bring it up... and caring about it in the first place.  Folks passions for things are what keep this project humming.

Cheers


Scott Willhite, Co-Founder DNN

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly... what is essential is invisible to the eye. "
~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

 
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2/27/2006 1:51 PM
 

"Would it comprehensively address the issue?"
I guess it's simply not possible, but perhaps we can give a few pointers.

"Would it be fair, even to those who are represented?"
For the hosting company, "no news is good news".
But from the user's point of view, no news is really bad news.
Some of 'em may even give up and find another solution like phpnuke.

"it is a viable market niche and some folks will do anything to make a quick buck"
Absolutely agree.
And I think that talking about DNN webhosting is the best way to annihilate speculation.

"Are our resources better spent doing other things?"
I disagree with the fact that hosting can be regarded as a minor issue or a distraction.
But don't take it wrong. That's just my humble opinion.

"Is it fair to our benefactors, sponsors and advertisers?"
I do understand that it is not fair to bite the hand that feeds, but on the other... hand... you have to admit it's a question of grassroots lobbying between sponsors and DNN webmasters.

"if you would like to work with some folks to establish some sort of "yardstick"
So be it.
Here's a solution: www.dotnetnuke-hebergement.com
You'll find a forum to share good and bad experiences.
Gimme a few days to welcome you there.
The site webmaster kindly accepted to open a sub-forum in english.

For those who want to share experiences and help each other ONLY.

 
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