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3/6/2008 9:16 AM
 

Antonio Chagoury wrote

Everything Don said in previous posts is correct, except that there is one piece of information that he might have left out.

In version 03.04.00 we opted to include the Rich Text Editor for the summary, and make sure that summary is entered when the "Make Entry Description Mandatory" option is checked. What is also not advertised or documented, is that in the case where "Make Entry Description Mandatory"  is checked, there will be NO TRUNCATION of text. This modification was done, because of the many issues people had when the blog body was used as the summary, set-up to be truncated. Basically since the body of the entry contained HTML mark-up, trucation was sometimes occurring in the middle of the HTML tags, and therefore breaking the page.

So, to recap:

  • If you want to include a summary for every blog post and want to include HTML mark-up in them, then the suggested setup is to check the "Make Entry Description Mandatory". You and your users will be FORCED to enter a summary on the first (smaller) RTE. They can enter whatever and as much as they want in here, including the entire entry, but the "Read More" link WILL SHOW at the bottom of the summary - no matter what.
  • If you want to show the ENTIRE entry on the first page and NOT show the "Read More" link, then enter the number "0" in the "Limit Blog Summary To:" setting (0 means DO NOT TRUNCATE, although Don's 2 million idea also works) -- Once again this set-up WILL HIDE the "Read More' link.

I hope this helps you setting it up the way you ultimately want to.

Thank you for trying to help out. In all my efforts -- I have UN-checked the 'Make Entry Description Mandatory' and I set 'Limit Blog Summary To:' to both 2000000 and 0 and I still get the 'Read More..' text.

The only thing I can think of is that something is off internally, since I have created and re-created the blog page a couple times and various other things. However, that should not affect the code's functioning.

My options at this time are: 1) try out the blog module again in a new/different localhost that I am setting up; 2) get a commercial third-party articles module which will do something similar to the blog (people don't want comments and they may not know what trackbacks are).

Thank you for your help, Tom

 
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3/6/2008 11:08 AM
 

Hi Tom,

I would recommend as I have in other posts that you take a look at Ventrian's News Articles module.  Many people use News Articles for their blog and it supports comments and ratings and is stated to have support for Trackbacks, althought I haven't tested Trackbacks myself.

Related to your previous post, you make some valid points and I'm sorry to hear of your frustration.  I feel many of the same frustrations and I've been programming for a while now.  Here's the thing about DotNetNuke, which should, by the way, in no way invalidate your feelings.  DotNetNuke is an Open Source platform, supported by a community of volunteers who put their own time and energy into the development of the platform products for free.  Antonio and the other project leads aren't paid for the hours of support they provide both in the forums and in the form of new features that they write on their own time as a way to give back to the community.  They do this as a way to give back to the community for the incredible set of features you get for free, or, in some cases, as a way to pay it forward, realizing that others will following and continue to provide excellent support for an evolving platform that thousands of organizations have implemented as their CMS.  Over the years, I've had the chance to work with a number of the other open source CMS platforms out there and my experience with each platform is the same.  The core platforum is usually relativley stable, but support for modules and add-ons is hit and miss.  This is due in part to the fact that at the module level it's hard to anticipate how a module will be used by a large community, and supporting a feature set that can accomodate this level of expectation by such a large group of people is something that even commercial software companies struggle with, and they're making money to fund their work!

So, here's how I encourage people to look at DotNetNuke.  DNN is a CMS platform, with, I believe, one of the best infrastructures available in the CMS market (both open source and commercial).  When I suggest to a client that they use DotNetNuke, I expect to make use of third party modules which are supported by developers with an incentive to provide excellent support and to stay current with new and innovative features.  The DNN community has encouraged this, and I believe this is another aspect of DotNetNuke that sets it apart from many other open source CMS platforms out there.  With DNN, there is the expectation for many of us that we can take the money we saved our client (in some cases upwards of $50,000) and funnel that into a vibrant community of developers who sell professional modules designed to fill in the gaps.  The one downside I see to the community at this point is that the pricing for many modules on the market is way too low.  I understand the issue.  It's hard to sell a module for $500 when it runs on a free platform.  But for long term viability, you want your module developers making enough money so that as their user base grows, they have the resources to continue to provide adequate support. 

Well, I'm certainly not going to solve these problems by sitting here writing a long post, but I wanted to highlight for other readers who follow what I believe is a healthy perspective on the whole open source CMS scene.  I look at it like this, open source works really well for what I call platform level software, things like operating systems (Linux), CRMs (Sugar CRM and Splendid CRM) and CMSs (DotNetNuke, Drupal, Plone, Mambo, Joomla, Xoops and others).  But the model doesn't seem to work as well when you branch off into specific applications or modules that run on the platform.  It's not that it doesn't work, it's just that the expectations have to be set accordingly.  The feature to man hour ratio at this level is much higher, which means that you usually end up with a lower number of features.  For many, this is just fine.  They just want simple FAQs, nothing fancy.  For many others, this isn't enough, and that's where commercial modules come in. 

Well, I'm repeating myself and I'm sure you already know all this, but just thought I would make these thoughts available to others who stumble upon this thread.

Best regards,

Don



Don Worthley
Software Architect
Element Eleven

 
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3/6/2008 5:08 PM
 

tlyczko wrote

 Antonio Chagoury wrote

Everything Don said in previous posts is correct, except that there is one piece of information that he might have left out.

In version 03.04.00 we opted to include the Rich Text Editor for the summary, and make sure that summary is entered when the "Make Entry Description Mandatory" option is checked. What is also not advertised or documented, is that in the case where "Make Entry Description Mandatory"  is checked, there will be NO TRUNCATION of text. This modification was done, because of the many issues people had when the blog body was used as the summary, set-up to be truncated. Basically since the body of the entry contained HTML mark-up, trucation was sometimes occurring in the middle of the HTML tags, and therefore breaking the page.


 

Thank you for trying to help out. In all my efforts -- I have UN-checked the 'Make Entry Description Mandatory' and I set 'Limit Blog Summary To:' to both 2000000 and 0 and I still get the 'Read More..' text.

I completely missed or mis-read, I don't know which, Antonio's highlighted text and I did the opposite...Tomorrow I will go back and try it again with the above setting.

Don's post about DNN and open source etc. was absolutely awesome.

I stand by my opinion that there should be some minimum standards for module development, regardless of how much/often a module is used -- some degree of regular reporting/updating, and some degree of regular updating. It should not be that hard to figure out which modules are used more often or which modules frustrate people more or which modules need more work, etc., just look at the forums, the quantiy of posts, the nature of questions/solutions, which modules have how many more fully-featured commercial alternatives, etc. For example, DNN unlike Drupal, Joomla, etc., has no way to OOB create decent forms...one has to buy a module. That's an example. I see complaints about FCKeditor adding unwanted text. That's an example. I see hacks for the blog module. That's an example.

Thank you, Tom

 
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3/7/2008 9:22 AM
 

Well, I went back and tried checking off the 'Make Entry Description Mandatory' (checking this makes the character limit checkbox disappear, why??) and still no change. I still get the 'Read More...', my blog summary gets truncated, and clicking the blog title causes nothing to display...About all I can think of now is to try it out on another test site and see if it is my test site that is not working right...

Thank you, Tom

 
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3/7/2008 10:50 AM
 

What version are you on?


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