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5/12/2009 3:38 PM
 

The following rant should be read tongue in cheek, but I hope it also causes a little soul searching.

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I was going to begin by saying, "perhaps it's just me," but I know it's not just me who is left wondering about the naming conventions of DotNetNuke with the 5.x series of releases.

If 5.0.0 and 5.0.1 are "beta" why are they carrying version numbers?  Shouldn't they say, "beta" or "RC"?  Shouldn't they be marked "5.0.0 beta 1" and "5.0.0 beta 2" - and so on until 5.0.0 is ready for release?  Perhaps I just wasn't paying attention, but I went ahead and upgraded my pre-production site to 5.0.0 when it was released - I didn't think to check to see if it was "production ready."  Who marks a release as "5.0.0" if it's really a beta?  I've since been burned and learned.  After making several hundred changes to my pre-production site, I learned I couldn't go back to 4.9 and had really done too many changes to roll back to my backup.  As the French would say, "C'est la vie." Alternatively, you could go with what my my coworker said: "You're an idiot."

What I'm really wondering is why the DNN team is labeling things as "5.0.0" and "5.0.1" if they are considered beta quality?  Now we have "5.1.0 beta."  Wait, did you say "5.1.0 beta"?  Yes, we're beta testing for an incremental update to a major version upgrade that isn't out of beta yet.  The mind reels with the possibilities! 

This doesn't follow any standard convention.  Unless you're talking about Windows Vista - or as most call it "Windows 7 beta".
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5/12/2009 5:12 PM
 

I can see your point here.  Ideally 5.0.1 is something that can be used in a production environment, however, it has not had as much time to prove itself as a stable, solid provider.  The hopes with 5.1 for DNN Corp as I understand it is to get the 5.1 release when it is actually released to be a stable, tested, production recommended solution.

I think given the nature of the changes that 5.0's release was done in a way that was needed.  THe problem is as you mention, that it is a bit unusual.  Every big release of DNN in the 4.x series was a "major" release.  4.4.1 -> 4.5.0 was a major release.  DNN doesn't use the first version number to necessarily indicate the scope of the release, in MY opinion as many of the 4.x releases were VERY major releases.


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5/12/2009 6:43 PM
 

quality is always sth subjective, depending on the judge's measure. DNN 5.0 had internal versions, named beta and public versions named release candidates. after not showing up numerous issues (from the countable number of community members), the next version has been published as release - but soon after a number of issues have been unveiled. The most obvious have been fixed in 5.0.1. DNN 5.1.0 will fix most of the other issues and introduce a number of new features which should be tested widely in beta by the community to get most of the remaining issues fixed - i.e. It is your term NOW!


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5/13/2009 3:29 AM
 

Part of the confusion is caused by the tools we are using, the recent change resulting from the DotNetNuke Professional release and the transition from 4.x to 5.x platforms.  When we initially released 5.0 we expected that given it's long testing cycle that we would have worked out the major kinks and that it would be production ready.  Obviously there were issues that showed up after the release and we needed a mechnism to indicate that we were recommending people stick with the 4.9.x release until 5.x undergone additional testing and had one or more releases to address the most serious bugs.  The best way to do that on CodePlex was to change the designation from Stable to Beta.  While I know many sites that are running 5.0 and 5.0.1 in production, it generally takes a developer/administrator with more DNN experience who is comfortable working around some of the issues in the first 2 releases.

As Sebastian stated, we are doing much more rigorous testing on 5.1 and making the early test releases more widely available to get feedback before our "official" release.  We are fairly confident that this release will be sufficiently stable to recommend people start migrating to this version.


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5/13/2009 11:18 AM
 

@Joe:  I definitely understand what you're saying - both about the expectations of the release and immediate issues.  This was definitely coupled with quite a bit of anger and frustration from developers about the lack of a publicly available pre-release version of 5.0.0 testing prior to it's short RC cycle.  I imagine this is why it seems like there has been a change in the way beta testing is done - private beta followed by public beta.  

Am I mistaken, or will this testing cycle now be a standard for DNN?

 
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