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4/17/2006 2:06 AM
 

My hosting company, www.gate.com, has a control panel where I can install DNN automatically on their Windows 2003 server.  The root web folder is \web and DNN gets installed into the subfolder \web\DNN.  At first I created a default.htm file in the folder \web that forwarded to \web\DNN\default.aspx.  That worked fine, but I don't like seeing "\DNN" in my URL address.  I tried copying all the DNN files and folders up one level to the \web folder.  Now when I try to go to my web site with Internet Explorer, it says "HTTP 403 - You are not authorized to view this page".  Most of the Showcase Sites at www.DotNetNuke.com do not have "\DNN" showing up in the URL.  How are they doing this?  How can I get DNN to run in the root folder?  Do I need to change something in web.config or does DNN need to run in a Windows Server application directory or ...?

Thanks in advance!

Mark Huebner

Raleigh, NC

 
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4/17/2006 4:54 AM
 
Mark,

Somewhere in the control panel for your host is an area to change the path of your domain name (www.yourdomain.com). Simply change the path of www.yourdomain.com to point to the 'DNN' directory rather than the 'web' directory.


 
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4/18/2006 1:36 AM
 
That function is not available in gate.com's control panel.
 
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4/19/2006 12:52 AM
 

Sorry Mark, this is not an answer. But Mark has a point. The instructions all show how to set up DotNetNuke as a subdomain. It makes me sad to see the number of people who are trying to use DotNetNuke but are frustrated just getting it installed. There has to be a point where DotNetNuke stops being just open source and free and starts being just non-proprietary. Is it cheap? Or is it open? And I think that where that begins is in the documentation. It should be assumed that anyone installing this is going to want it to appear as http://www.MySite.com and not http://www.MySite.com/DNN. When it does that it becomes professional. Otherwise it almost proclaims itself to be a hobby.

I have had at least four seperate shared hosts. I have spent at least 6 hours on each of their tech support lines. I'm sure I have annoyed manny tech support personel (I am tech support myself so I can't be too upset for them). Webhost4Life, Godaddy, ViaNetworks, 1and1 are the big names. They have told me such things as the SQL server is for personal use only and that the ASP Server should not be able to connect to it. Godaddy told me that although they offer DotNetNuke as a Value Added Application they have no responsibillity whatsoever over what happens after you click the 'Install' button. After you click that, they say, you have to contact DotNetNuke (the guy put me on hold before giving me each answer. Which means I wasn't actually talking to him. And just as importantly, he wasn't talking to me.)

I know very well that most software comes with inadiquit documentation and often you end up calling tech support just to get it installed (Veritas, Symantec). But I feel with DotNetNuke people will actually hear my complaints. Shouldn't the installation instructions assume that you want DotNetNuke to be your main installation? Shouldn't that be how all the installation instructions are organized? From there you can forward easily within the installation. You can create portals and stuff. That is the easy part. That is what makes DotNetNuke so wonderful.

I am a database developer and I just can't wait until I can start developing withing the DotNetNuke framework and get away from this persistant installation confusion.

If anyone has instructions for installing to the root on a dedicated server that would be greatly appreciated.

 
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4/19/2006 3:58 PM
 
There are a few things you have to realize:
  1. We're a volunteer force and can't operate without support. We welcome everyone's suggestions and do our best to get them implemented; but, we have to place people in the roles that make the most sense. And, let's face it, people use DNN because of its features, not its documentation - not that I'm saying it's not important. We all know the importance of documentation, which is why we have all that we have.

  2. Most, if not all, of us have problems installing DNN - I myself went thru a number of headaches. At the time, we are most interested in getting it to work and try so many things, that it's hard to remember what exact sequence fixed the problem(s). Because of this, nobody has been able to document the fix(es) without starting from scratch again. The problem with this is, once people have it setup, nobody wants to re-figure it out.

  3. Unless someone has numerous clients with their own servers, it's very rare (in my experience) that someone will create new installs of DNN often. For this reason, you typically see the same topics brought up by beginners. It's almost a growing pain. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's how it is. Most of the time, after someone gets thru these issues, future installs seem to work without all the hassles because they know the steps and don't skip them as much. This is the cause of most user problems - missing steps. Experience teaches us how to get past some of these minor problems.
Bottom line is: If you are so disgusted with the docs, help us fix them! Join the team! Help us out; we could use it.

There are more than 275,000 registered users on the DNN site. I don't have a good count, but I think there are 45 or so DNN members and even less actively involved. Let's just round that to 50 members and 250,000 users - that'd be a ratio of 1 member to every 5,000 users. If even .1% of the community (~275 people) was actively involved in improving DNN in various areas, then these types of problems would take care of themselves.

With all the threads I see about people complaining, there are only 8 issues in Gemini regarding the documentation. If you are truly dedicated to helping us help you, with respect to documentation, give us an idea of what we're missing. And, better yet, tell us how you think we should fix it. If we're missing an important install/upgrade step, let us know. Submit some updated text for a specific document. Anything is appreciated.

We all know DNN has a lot of room to grow. The problem is we're a limited team with limited time to spend on our DNN projects. We all have other jobs that require our attention. This is where we need our users to help out. Tell us what's wrong. Tell us how we can fix it. This will make all of our lives easier. Imagine, if every user submitted 1 issue report with a fix, we could probably fill a year's worth of monthly releases with just that. Instead, we have to balance supporting the community with adding new features and fixing bugs. We try to fix the most important bugs, but also have to focus a lot on getting new features out. DNN may be hard to setup for beginners, but once it's up, it's up. We do need to improve on this, but we need your help. I'm sure I speak for the rest of the community when I say we would appreciate your help

Michael Flanakin | Microsoft Consulting Services
www.michaelflanakin.com
 
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