it is embarrasing that cotnetnuke corp team jstify downtime with dogfooding ...... it is very simple to adjust this downtime to a minimum of a minute instead of hours .... if dotnetnuke corp like to try these things on the biggest live site they have ....there only needs to be downtime calculated in minutes if you guys know how to use a NAT firewall ....it is very simple .... you need 2 servers and them you should have already because one is backup and one is the main one ...you make exact copies of app and databse through exporting the database and the transaction log THEN you switch live server with the NAT control in firewall .... once you have detected a problem with the uppgraded version you emediately switch back to the previous version and begin fault seeking the troubled app upgrade ....this way you can use the dotnetnuke site without spending hours of embarrassment to the community .....

/Johan Hyra vattenskoter

Naturally, after posting that I was retured to a pretty screen that said:

"This site is having technical difficulties..."

Jeff