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11/15/2010 8:43 PM
 
Well, having a development server doesn't solve much of anything. If the upgrade is going to crash, it's going to crash. I tested upgrading to 5.5.1 from 5.2.1 on my dev setup and it crashed. There was pressure about the security updates, so I tried it on the live site, and it crashed. So, I had to install DNN 5.5.1 as a fresh install twice, once on the dev server, and once on the live server. Then my web host, WH4L, stopped being able to support even simple ftp uploads on my account, so I switched hosts. Didn't work out well, so I switched hosts again. So, with DNN 5.5.1, I've done two fresh installs and two restores. That simple upgrade has used up A LOT of time and effort. I only hope it was worth it... I agree, an upgrade should always go smoothly. 5.5.1 is the first time I've had problems upgrading, so I suppose I'm one of the lucky ones. It really shouldn't be that way. Seems DNN is always in a rush to put something out there that is so full of bugs it's a wonder anyone can upgrade smoothly. And now that they have some major backing and revenue, that shouldn't continue but does. I'm not leaving it behind because of that. I still think it's the best thing out there. Just wishing that these upgrades didn't cause so many people's installations to crash beyond repair.

JOHN GIESY
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11/16/2010 3:18 AM
 
I don't like hearing that people are having issues upgrading.  Believe it or not we spend a lot of time testing to try to ensure that each release is stable.  In fact we have a whole team that does nothing but test the software - both clean install and upgrade scenarios.  Quite honestly, the best way to solve these upgrade issues is to find out what specifically is causing your site to "crash" during the upgrade.  We don't see these issues in our test environments, so the only way to solve them is by getting feedback from the community on what happens in the wild.

Joe Brinkman
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11/16/2010 12:29 PM
 
Okay John this is what happened.
Did a backup. Files and DB.
I applied the update to take the DNN from 5.4 to 5.5.
That appeared to go ok ... until I ran the site afterwards.
All my calendars were empty ... there's a few of them and they are the heart of the site.
So I went to do a Restore and because I didn't read the docs thoroughly I skipped a step and my site was totally trashed (as in nothing but front page worked).
When I went to look at the standalone restore I saw my error and was able to complete the process and resurrect my site.

So why did I run into a problem in the first place?
Well afterwards I was curious so I did some checking.
In the Events module forum I found this post:
'Do not forget to update Events to version 5.1.4 if you are upgrading to DNN 5.5!'
If I'd seen that before I tried the major update I would have explored that path first.
But I didn't ... and for that I'm guilty.
And some might say 'ignorance is no excuse' ... and maybe it's not.
But ...
1 - is there a note in the Installing / upgrading forum that mentions the situation with the events module? Or do we have to check every forum for every module we use before we go and try a core upgrade?
2 - I see the this text in the Events module post: "The release release of DotNetNuke 5.5. marks a serious new version. Part of the changes involves a serious change in the core table structure of DNN" Peter's words not mine. I may act a bit newbyish but I have actually been through a few version/revision cycles of software from various vendors over the last 30 years or so and have come to expect that a version change (left of decimal pt) can be radical and break what was there before. A revision change (right of decimal pt) is not usually so drastic ... baby steps versus a giant step.
Now maybe I'm excusing 'glossing over' the upgrade homework and maybe I'm picking at nits with the language Taminga chose ... maybe.
But I fall back on my original gripe ... is DNN really as easy and lightweight enough for a single user to install, use, maintain and extend as the community would like? (and as is touted)
Or are there traps and pitfalls that will kill your efforts and leave you wondering WTF happened even thought you followed the advised path in good faith?

John, I applaud the work you guys do - really. The size and interelated operations of software written by many hands (like DNN) can lead to many issues. I know from experience how much of a fun ride that can be and that's why I don't do that anymore ... I just wanted to get in the car and drive. Not tinker under the hood so much.

Sigh ... now I have to go find out how to upgrade my events module and not lose all the events I've put into it. And that means time I was going to spend on expansion plans gets reallocated ... ah well it's not as if I have a boss standing over me.

And in case you think the 'get in the car and drive' was metaphor ... check out one of my other (non DNN) sites: lesgodriving.com
(warning - use any browser but IE - something's not right with the way it presents)
 
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12/5/2010 2:19 PM
 
Just a follow-up to the project that spawned the thread in the first place: an upgrade.
I finally got around to going upgrade the events module from 5.0.3 to 5.1.4 first and then to upgrade my DNN from 5.4 to 5.6.
With backups at every step ... thankfully not needed this time because it all worked (afaik).
 
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