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9/4/2013 9:14 AM
 

I'm not trying to hijack the thread and I have reported my problems elsewhere!

 
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9/17/2013 11:22 PM
 
cathal connolly wrote:

First of all, I think it's important to consider that Evoq is simply a series of solutions that can be plugged into the DNN Framework (Navins image at http://www.dnnsoftware.com/blog/cid/3... shows that well).

As such, there is no difference in many ways between Evoq and any other DNN extension you would buy - though obviously as Evoq is made by DNN Corp staff they can ask for core updates to support use-cases for them (or more normally contribute the code to the DNN Platform), so its probable that the level of integration will be better for Evoq over other extensions. There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from creating similar packages e.g. if I wanted to I could create a product similar to Evoq Content by writing a document library (or using one such as DMX), and then write modules that use the DNN Platform APIs to add the mobile, search engine extensions, granular permissions (already a free codeplex project) etc. , and I could then pick a price point that I thought would work.

I think it's probably better to think of Evoq as a completely separate entity (one that sponsors lots of developers to work on the DNN Platform). The Evoq team has picked their market and set their prices accordingly - and if those prices are out of your range that's a pity - but if there are enough people like you then I'm sure someone will write something (using the platform API) and sell it (if there's a market a product will inevitably appear) - alternatively if Evoq Social's pricing model turns out to be wrong I'm sure they'll change it and perhaps then it becomes an option.

I know the team spent a long time on the pricing for Evoq social, and so far the price has been very successful (plenty of customers and prospects) - oddly enough one of it's selling points is it's price, very few comparable offerings offer a "low" fixed price, most are much higher (72,000 for jive) or have per user/month pricing points (e.g. $3 per user per month means that if you have more than 300 users then Evoq is "cheap" in relative terms -some of our customers have ten's of thousands of users so for them it's very economical).

One final point, I recommend adding enhancement requests to http://www.dnnsoftware.com/voice - and get people to vote for them. Ordering the list by votes, the first social related item is number 35 on the list - whilst I believe there is a great demand for more social in the DNN Platform (mainly as I'm in the forums a lot), the votes are low for social items which would suggest not everyone feels strongly about it - or think other things are more important.

Community Voice is very important as its where we (the platform team) pick up many of our enhancements from (you can filter on scheduled to see whats coming soon - http://www.dnnsoftware.com/voice/?pag...= (some of these were logged by the platform team as we had early access to it and logged all the things that annoy us or that we know the community already wants - though lots of people voted for them which is the important thing). Whilst that scheduled list is probably more than we can get done in 7.2.0, I encourage you to log ideas (and get votes) so that when we look next we can consider them

 The website is completely commercial.   You can't find or understand half of what is on it now.   Basically, it all points to Call Sales Now!  

Go to the home page.   I've never seen such bad design.   Scroll to read content.

Go to Solutions Overview.   Again, I have to scroll to read a paragraph.  

http://www.dnnsoftware.com/Platform     Honestly, I don't want to even go to the website.    Where is the 'Platform' download link.   I scroll down that page..   do I click Start or Next Steps or anything?   Seems not!

Who did the website..  was it offshored?   When I mean offshore, I mean not US.   I cannot believe somebody with design this and somebody would pay for it.  

 

On the top right, Try it Free!!   Well, Platform is FREE....   where is it!

The suggestions about two websites is accurate.   If you don't want to promote what was DNN CE, and you want to hide it and mix it into a commercial marketing website (that well sucks as well), give a place for what we want.   Make life easy.

As far as oh we will always have DNN, CE, Platform, etc. free for you.    I've been around long before Shaun said there would never be a price on DotNetNuke.   :)    At least that's true now because it's called Evoq?  

 

 

 

 
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9/17/2013 11:29 PM
 
Philipp Becker wrote:

What I find interesting is that we have to completely different perspectives here.

There is DNN Corp who says that a lot of improvements, especially for the community, evolved with the recent brand changes and that the visibility of the free platform has never been better.

Then there is the community where a lot of members cannot seem to experience those improvements and feel lost.

While DNN Corp might have implemented a bunch of improvements, be it on the website itself or be it internal structures that might lead to improvements in the long run, DNN Corp should respect that they must have done something wrong if many people do either not appreciate or cannot observe those positive changes.

There are a few aspects that one can simple not rationalize away.

  • A newbie coming to the DNN website does not get any kind of indicator that there is free version of DNN available and that this free version actually is a piece of software that you can download, install and run, out of the box. All the links on the homepage are leading to resources that tell visitors about a commercial product
  • While it might hold true that DNN platform is nothing more than a platform, a platform is for most people not a working product. A platform is something you have to extend on in order to get a fully operational software that you can do things with. That is why the name change to DNN platform was a bad move, at least from a marketing point of view. DNN platform de-facto IS a fully operational website after installing it and the way the new website is setup this fact is sort of ignored and hidden to the public
  • When it comes to community a visitor’s first impression will be that there is not much in there. You have to dig down quite a bit in the site structure and find those little links at the top to actually enter those areas of the site that most people will be interested in: Community Exchange, Community Voice and discussions.
  • If you compare the community and company blog sections on the website, you will get the visual indicator of what seems to be more important content. The community blogs look like someone has move the old blogs to a new software just so that it is there without any love. No structure whatsoever, no tagging, no authors view. Now go to the company blog and notice that it’s all there.

On a side note, what is also very interesting, is that the new website of DNN does look fantastic. From a design point of view I love it very much. But, it is noteworthy that building and maintain a site like that with DNN is a very hard job. No way can a regular site editor manage the content with that kind of design by using a common rich text editor. There is a lot of html fiddling taken place here and DNN still has a long way to go when it comes to easy usage of the platform. DNN is easy to install, easy to extend and it is also very powerful and feature rich. It is certainly not easy to use though.

My personal conclusion though is “Don’t worry”. DNN Corp is a company, they want and need to make money so they can pay their bills and staff and make investors happy. What we make out of that is up to us. Changes are sometimes difficult and not everybody likes them, but most of the time a change will also provide opportunities to improve something yourself. A development company leaving the market most likely has done a bad job in operating its business, one cannot blame DNN Corp for that. A business being bought by another company is something that happens every day out in the economical world. That’s just how it works. What surprises me much more is that the gaps left behind by these deals have not been filled by other businesses. Building extensions like ActiveForums, URLMaster or another DMS is no rocket science; most developers would be able to do that. As I said, changes are also an opportunity, but no one seems to be picking up those opportunities.

Look at EVOQ content for example. A vertical solution for a hell lot of money. But what does it offer, technically? A few extensions compared to DNN platform that a single developer can build in a few days and I’m pretty sure it could even much more powerful that what EVOQ content offers.

I have not seen a single vertical solution like EVOQ Content on the market. I know that people package their own DNN solution and give it to their clients. But the ecosystem has the absolute right (and power!) to create its own solutions and sell them. Why do we care so much what DNN Corp is doing? If you have a business around DNN then you should care much more about your business than about DNN Corp’s business.

 

 I usually don't like to quote so many posts.   However, you clearly stated the issue!

Nina also stated, you can't find the forums easily.   You can find CE easily..    almost a month has gone by and no changes.  This means that marketing / sales (VC) is in charge now.   The 750,000 websites you mention in About DNN is the past... not important now.  Without those, you would not be here today..   it's called customers.   

 
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9/20/2013 3:13 PM
 

I have to agree with most of what has been said above. It IS VERY sad what is happening here. I don't use the website now, it's impossible to use. I have a few links in my favorites and that's it. Even the links within DNN itself that should link to the website/codeplex don't work.

Having a whole screen/page of graphics with two sentences is just not what I come here for. I come here for information NOT a bunch of not very good graphics and a hard sell of something I'm NOT going to buy (especially at the price it is). To scroll down a page four times and only have about 8 sentences to read is crazy.
The menu is a waste of time. The entries mean nothing. One thing is for sure I won't be using or recommending these guys (the designers) http://parkermooredesign.com.

I've just been to the issue tracker, o.k. not strictly part of this website I know, to see when 7.1.2 is due out and it says "Wednesday"!!! Last Wednesday came and went so does that mean next Wednesday or just ANY random Wednesday sometime in the future, near or far? Can we be a little bit more specific?

It's unbelievable how bad things have got around here. It appears that quite an effort has gone into making it this bad, you can't just get things this wrong without working at it. The biggest concern is that it's now a month and a half since this thread opened and NOTHING has been done. Would it have taken that long just to fix the menu so people can find things? No, NOTHING. Won't be long before I move on. IMHO DNN Corp have lost the plot as far as the open source portion of their product is concerned, it's obviously all about money now.

 I'm not even going to mention the abysmal decision to buy up popular modules and and lock them away for their own high paying customer's exclusive use.

Why I'm still here now I really don't know. I guess in the hope that things just can't get any worse around here, can they???? Things can only improve, can't they????

I have one plea to DNN Corp. PLEASE TAKE A COURSE ON USER FRIENDLINESS and apply it to your products and website, especially the user UI.

Rant Off

 
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9/20/2013 3:27 PM
 
http://www.dnnsoftware.com/answers/cid/421445. And why do you want to know when the next release is if you plan to move on?
 
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