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10/10/2006 5:15 PM
 

Thank you Mariette for your constructive opinion.  It appears that today constructive criticism isn't wanted...

Crispy,  I've been a developer a long time now and you'll have to excuse me if I can't see your view that just because it's not easy to do, it's not a good idea.  I think if you will "think before you speak" you will understand that is very possible to achieve what I have requested.  Have you ever used WebSphere or Windows Explorer?  I understand that if your caching isn't capable of determining who is logged in and caches correctly then the caching is lacking and perhaps there should just be an option to disable it if I would rather have full-featured search and aggregation.  In fact, I (as are most others out there it seems) have disabled DNN caching for most of my modules anyway because it is just too buggy and dangerous to use.  I recently lost an entire site because of it...

It was not my intention to start a flame war, but rather to get some insight as to why things work the way they do.

Ian

 
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10/10/2006 5:24 PM
 

Please take into account, that this project is carried by volunteers, who are donating their power and spare time for the community. I know, Chris is working really hard to improve the capabilities of this module and overcome its limitations.

There is always a tradeoff between usability on the one side and security and performance on the other side. It is a very narrow trail to balance between both sides, as caching is impossible, if there are a large number of variations and security is affected by integrating private forums as well. Of course, the team is continously trying to implement improvements according to users feedback.


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Sebastian Leupold

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10/10/2006 5:26 PM
 

Ian,

All you had to do is ask why it was that way instead of 'took the easy way out'. I admit I responded very aggrevated about the way you said that and probably should have waited the normal amount of time I wait to respond to something that frustrates me. I can explain several reasons why and if you read the thread I have already offered some insight as to why this was done this way so far.

Mariette, you read my response and don't like my tone. That is your opinion,  but how is me voicing my frustration any different than you posting "I don't like the tone of this thread at all".


Chris Paterra

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10/11/2006 6:56 AM
 
Guys,

I'm aware that this project is run by volunteers and I applaud you all for everything you've done.  DNN has changed the way I do business.  Thanks to your efforts, I can now erect a full-blown, feature rich website in days instead of months or years as I used to.  If I didn't have confidence in what you are doing, I wouldn't be betting my job on it.  Concerning the forum module, I probably have the least complaints about it than any other major module.  So, I know you guys are working hard and listening.  Unfortunately, this isn't true of some of the other modules and my frustration sometimes spills over to those that don't deserve it.

Concerning my original post, you must understand my long-time philosophy on software development.  I believe that there is basically nothing that can't be done with software.  There are only those requirements that are easy/cheap/quick to implement and there are those that are hard/long/slow to implement (I appologize if this is starting to sound like something from Playboy magazine).  I was suggesting that your team was avoiding this "feature" because it fell into the later category.  I emphasize "feature" because I really wouldn't even categorize this behaviour as a feature.  To me and to most non-programmers, this is viewed as a "bug".  To a non-technical user that doesn't understand caching and what not, there is no logical reason why an aggregated view would pick-and-choose what it wants to aggregate.  They just expect everything that they can see by drilling down themselves to also be in the aggregated view.  For the sake of my credibility and that of DNN, I don't want to have to explain why the aggregated view only partially works...

Thanks for all of your hard work.

Ian


 
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10/11/2006 12:45 PM
 

I have a hard time understanding how the "aggregated" option could be considered a bug based on the fact that it does not include private forum threads. The forum exposed under the Aggregated heading is very clear that only "Public" information will be displayed:

All Public Forums
An aggregated view of all public forum threads.

I suppose it is possible that users of the software do not read the text displayed by the application, and then are confused by the results. But does Chris really deserve the criticism?

I implemented the Aggregated forum feature and documented my throughts behind it in this blog post. As much as any of you, I really wanted to include private forums as part of the implementation - since there are many private forums on dotnetnuke.com which I need to constantly monitor. However, I discovered during implementation that there was a serious tradeoff to consider. In order to support private forums in the aggregated view, the application would need to suffer a serious performance impact. Since this affects scalability and customer satisfaction and I concluded that a win/win compromise could be obtained by only supporting public forums in the aggregated view ( resulting in only a minimal impact on performance ). Text was added to the forum application to try and make it clear that only Public forums are supported.


My comments are my own and are offered WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Shaun Walker
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