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12/4/2006 8:00 AM
 
Timo Breumelhof


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www.40fingers.net
Joined: 2/9/2006
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Nina, do you have problems with FF 1.5.8 or with FF 2.0?
The problems I experienced are the same in both FF and IE.
(and I was really happy I could finally reproduce one....)
I develop all my skins in FF (and the hack around IE6 ) but never experienced slow CSS processing in FF.
To be honest I'm not happy with MS decision to make IE 7 only for XP-up, since IE 6 is the browser has some serious CSS bugs (NS4 and IE5 for Mac are nice too....). Now IE6 will be around for years...
I didn't know there was clear cache button on the  text editor (Default or FCK?)
I'll give it a try
 
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12/4/2006 8:18 AM
 
Nina M


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Joined: 1/23/2004
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I'm running on FF 2 on my graphics machine- I will work on supporting some browsers, but with multiple dnns, multiple menu options, multiple browsers, multiple OS and with Mac having multiple browser too.. *sigh* I'm beginning to wonder if they need a single solution - a 1 x html page oro we're all going to go mad.. and that doesn't account for the multiple modules using JS which throws another spanner in the works.

I have problems with both FF & IE.  Sometimes I wonder if it's the amount of time I'm spending on a skin.  I just know that after a certain point, the changes I make aren't working - its' like I should be closing the browser, restarting the machine, and in the mean time - pouring a stiff drink.. and I'm hardly a drinker!!!!

That clear cache thing is in the dropdown actions of the module - not in the module itself.

Wasn't pen and paper easier once upon a time.

Nina Meiers

Nina Meiers My Little Website
If it's on DNN, I fix, build, deploy, support,skin, host, design, consult, implement, integrate and done since 2003.
Who am I? Just a city chic, having a crack at organic berry farming.. and creating awesome websites.
 
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12/4/2006 1:31 PM
 
Timo Breumelhof


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I agree, sometimes getting the CSS to work in all the major browsers is driving me mad.
But I changed my point of view a bit, I know some people might completely disagree.
There is the W3C standard and it's very clear  (although some of it is obviously created by programmers, not designers / users and totally unlogical).
Some browsers completely ingnore these standards or are buggy.
If  websites builders keep spending too much time on supporting obscure "past end of life" browsers the users of these browsers will never be stimultated to move their lazy ... and use a better browser.
A few year ago there was no serious alternative, but now with FF the alternative (in my opinion) is much beter then all the rest and there is no real reason not to switch if  someone's using  linux / mac etc.
In my opinion if a user wants to use IE 5 for Mac, he/she shouldn't complain if the site doesn't completely look the way it should (and sometimes I use a script to tell them).
I heard from some of my Mac friends that even they are starting to use FF because safari has to much bugs...
And I still think it's REALLY BAD that MS only patched the security holes in IE 6 and not the CSS bugs....
In my ideal world Apple and MS would stop developing their browsers and give FF some support and everybody wold be using Firefox. I think something as essential as a browser should be open source.....
 
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12/4/2006 2:27 PM
 
ScaryHobo

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The whole DNN CSS needs to be re-written in my opinion, its a dogs breakfast. But its not just the CSS its how its used throughout the site - its very inconsistent. The problem is that if you want to do some serious customization dnn lacks the CSS hooks in the right places. Because editing the core source is counter-productive due to patches overriting your work you have two choices: 1) duplicate the module and add the hooks you need to the aspx or 2) do some nasty and lengthy DOM hacks in CSS to access/isolate the element you need to change.
 
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12/4/2006 6:47 PM
 
Timo Breumelhof


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I agree with you that DNN CSS is not ideal, but I don't agree with you that there are not enough CSS hooks.
I think "its a dogs breakfast" is bit to negative..
Personally I think that default.css is one of the biggest problems. I started a thread about this but I seemed to be the only one... Sometimes I can only achieve what I want by changing default.css, something I don't like because it's part of the DNN core in way. I also recognise that changing these kind of things is difficult due to version compatibility.
I think there is to much non CSS makeup (width=100%), inline styles, since you cannot overwrite them, and tables in places you don't really need / want them (example: the links module)
I know this is mainly due to .NET (1.1?) which seems to render a table for everything.
In the end I mostly get a site to look the way it should, but it could be easier.
Don't get me wrong I'm really greatfull for DNN as it is now....
I don't know if I'm the right person to suggest this and if the core team / developers even want something like this but I have a suggestion (if this is not already being done...). There are some people posting about this subject and I know some people tried creating tableless skins, but a lot of these "issues" don't make it into gemini.  Maybe it's an idea to somehow collect these wishes / "frustations" / knowledge on CSS  in relationship to DNN and how it could be improved. I don't want to riot or create a fork, I just think it would be good to collect the available knowledge...
It' easy to complain about what's wrong but in open source if you want to change something, you have to do more...
If something like this would be started would be glad to spend some time on it.
 
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