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4/7/2007 4:54 PM
 

    MGrimaldi:

    I will try to help you as much as possible within my time constraints, just like everybody else in this forum, but that is only because I want to share my experience with others, not because you are giving me that designation.  However, you need to post the details of your problems.  So far you have not mentioned one of the specific errors, problems, or messages you are getting IN DETAIL.  You can start by telling us what version of DNN you are installing.

    I would also take your challenge to install DNN, any version, on any server or PC, with SQL 2000 or 2005, any time, and without the book and I can guarantee you without any doubt in my mind that you will see the portal running in under 30 minutes at the most.

    Also, and I have said this before several times in this forum, the fact that there are many people asking about DNN installation issues also proofs that the product is extremely popular.  For your argument to be valid you would have to see how many of those issues were impossible to resolve like you are saying yours are.  You are going to find that not many.  Also, few people post their success when the installation works the first time.  I just made a second installation of 4.4.1 on my TabletPC for development and it worked the first time but I did not post it.

    Take a step back and realize that DNN, even with all its internal complexity, is nothing more than another ASP.Net application.  Also realize that DNN actually works (just trust me here), so there must be some fixable issue you are missing (no intention to offend or diminish your knowledge, it just happens).  Off the bat you mentioned that you have separate IIS and SQL servers, that configuration introduces issues related to the connectivity to SQL that you need to address, based on your experience, you should already know how to set this up and test it outside of DNN.  Also, when you get a page not found error, it may be related to the fact that on the server you may have already be running another site on the default Web site (maybe Sharepoint), but hopefully you already know that you need to create another site with a corresponding Host Header to avoid that issue and are not trying to run from localhost.  There are also issues with ASP.Net 2.0 and separately with SQL Server 2005 that many users and developers, not necessarily exclusive to DNN, need to address, but you are probably familiar with these too. 

    Regarding DNN as freeware, that is indeed true, but also notice that there is now a formal corporation backing DNN and it has close ties and the cooperation of Microsoft itself.  If you work with Microsoft based solutions, I challenge you to write a Web based application as solid, secure, and expandable as the DNN framework.

    And one more thing, something you will notice if you take a breath and calm down a little bit, is that this community is not composed of geeks with no life.  One thing that I always say separates this community from other technical sites is the maturity of its members.  Actually only a few of the people here are hobbyists in my opinion, many use DNN for commercial and government sites, this also applies outside of the US.

    Again, if you want help post the version of DNN you are trying to run, whether you can run other Web applications on the server (possibly based on ASP.Net 2.0), and whether you can connect to the DNN database on the SQL Server from the IIS server.

    Carlos

 

 
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4/7/2007 5:06 PM
 

Thanks, John.  I am able to hit my database (resides on separate server) from my web server via odbc.  I am able to view aspx pages on my web server as well.  I just now installed DNN 4.5 as recommended by a member of this post.  I receive the installation page with the status updates of the installation.  However, when I click the "Click Here to Access Your Portal" I am taken to the root of the default site (the IIS under construction web page renders).  The path to the DNN site is http://localhost/dotnetnuke.  After the install I browse to this link again and it redirects to http://localhost only.  The folder permissions are set in accordance with the book's instructions and the readme file that comes with the zip file I downloaded from DNN.  Any help is appreciated. I am running Windows 2003 Server on all machines.  I have broken down this issue into the components you mentioned (IIS, database, folder permissions, etc.).  I have done so in the past.  There has to be something obvious that's missing but I cannot find it.

Trust me when I say I am very patient and have walked away from this when I get frustrated.  I return to try again because I really want to test ride DNN.  I feel it can become a valuable tool for me an a great option for certain clients.  But I need to prove it out first before I preach.  I can't preach until I see the goods :-)

 
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4/7/2007 5:18 PM
 

Carlos.  Thanks.  I have posted a response to John regarding particulars to the 4.5 install I just now performed.  Please read that and provide any advice if you like. 

I agree with your comments.  Thus far the response to my "complaint" has been overwhelming and professional.  I understand the .NET backbone to DNN...this is why I wish to try DNN.  Extending a portal using .NET 2.0 (DNN) is more appealing than how one extends Sharepoint, for example.  I do not doubt you can install without issue.  All I'm saying is I cannot given a book written by the father of DNN. 

Thanking you - Mark.

 
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4/7/2007 5:50 PM
 

@ mgrimaldi

The thing is if you want to build cars you need a principle understanding of how a car works. DNN is no different in this respect; it just makes it a lot easier to build a car because a lot of the donkeywork is already done for you.

If you find it too complicated, go for something simpler with a lot less functionality (use FrontPage or something). Otherwise try and understand the functionality. Read the blogs, if you had you would have waited for 4.5.0 and would have seen a far better install facility on the way. The new installer was blogged as far back as February for instance, and yes this is just a start as it says in the blog:
http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Community/BlogsDotNetNuke/tabid/825/EntryID/1317/Default.aspx

Coming up with comments such as "Your installation model is horrible", "thanks for nothing" and " Unfortunately, clients in the real world expect results, not riddles" when people are actually doing something about it, are trying to help, and on the whole are not being paid are completely in-apt, please do your research better before you post.

You should realise dotnetnuke is a leaving/breathing piece of software like most good open source projects. There are probably a million things that can be improved with the software, that is the nature of the beast. In my opinion it's the best you can get, and DNN is only just starting to come of age. Therefore you should consult some more up to date documentation than the DNN book, the dotnetnuke guide is pretty good but NOT up to date (how could it be?).

You say:
"I am an experienced IT professional with years of experience as a developer, DBA, systems administrator, etc."

With the greatest of respect, if this is the case you would have easily had installed it. It's no different from any ASP.NET/SQL Server application. You say "I have been studying DNN for hundreds of hours, literally, and have never been able to successfully install", well it took me about 1 to 2 hours to install my first DNN installation, and I am definitely no genius here. I think you overestimate your skills. A good developer or IT administrator uses documentation from a number of sources, not just one book.

If I had any further difficulty installing I would have posted here for help, rather than complain about it (my goodness this is your first post!).

I think a better approach is to work at resolving the issues rather than complaining about it. That's what a developer does professionally. That's how most developers learn, from their mistakes. It is no walk in the park. It's up to the users to complain and YOU to fix it as a developer. Rather than complain why not try and help? This is an open source community, and you are not our boss. We are all our own boss. We help each other and we nudge each other.

Partake, don't complain! Otherwise employ somebody to do the job for you, and whinge at them :)

Alex



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4/7/2007 6:00 PM
 

Just a quick note here. Mark and I are in contact via email about his install. While my initial reaction was very much the same as Alex's the situation Mark's seeing also has me confused and I've installed DNN more times that I can remember going back to DNN 1.0.5 or 6. It looks like he's set everything up correctly as he gets the install scripts running under 4.5 (I don't know if he used the wizard or did it manually) but when he actually goes to go to http://localhost/dotnetnuke (after indications that everything istalled properly) it gets redirected to http://localhost. I've asked him to check a couple of things and am waiting to hear back from him. At this point I don't think it's a DNN problem but I'm not 100% sure until we get everything sorted out.

 
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