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1/3/2008 11:01 AM
 

Joe Brinkman wrote

Using this analysis, DotNetNuke would be deemed inconsequential in the CMS market.  I don't think you will find many in this forum who would agree with that sentiment. 

In many ways, DNN is inconsequential in the CMS market.  Without adequate versioning, approval and workflow features, integrated into the core and available in all modules, DNN is a non-player in the larger world of CMS.  This year's roadmap to Cambrian holds promise in overcoming that flaw, but in terms of real money, DNN is out.

I think the point about DNN developers still aiming at the small/personal user is correct.  Although DNN is being used for large operations, those who develop the major applications are using DNN as a framework and selling the solution, not a module to add into any DNN site.  And that's a promising market for those integrators and vertical markets that have the need and finances to support the market.  This isn't unique to DNN, solutions built on web platforms might be DNN, or they might use any other development tool or framework that supports the task.  We (a municpal government with ~500 employees and $120 million in revenue) buy many solutions that are web based, and each has been a different platform and programming environment.  We don't really care, we're buying the solution, not the framework or tools.  If the solution fits our needs then the hardware/software requirements of that solution are secondary to a great extent.

On the other hand, I have a year-long project to migrate internal and external web sites to a CMS, and a budget that allows for several commercial options.  I'm in the process of prototyping a solution using DNN, along with some third party modules where needed, that is very promising.  It means more work on my part, but saves money and that's always a good thing in local governments.  It also gives me the complete solution, where all the commercial options miss on one or more important pieces.

DNN doesn't satisfy my needs completely either.  Workflow and versioning are important and integrating both DNN and AD/LDAP authentication is too.  Both show promise in future releases, and I'm kind of counting on them being available.  I haven't found third party solutions to all my problems, and I'm not willing to invest in any third party module that may possibly be unsupported or abandoned in the future.  I am willing, and able, to pay extra for the support and stability of the developer.  But I'm getting ready to start tossing some cash at modules which provide possible solutions, even though I may end up not using them.  A couple hundred bucks for a module is nothing if the module does what I need, where for an individual it might be daunting.  If a module costs less than $50 an hour for the time it would take me to develop it, and I'm slow, it's better to purchase it than develop it on my own, provided the support and maintenance is there.

I can't afford to buy modules that aren't updated to work with a new DNN version until after that version has been out for six months, and that's where many developers fall short.  Naturally, I understand the delay, especially if the developer does DNN modules as a side to his/her regular job, but understanding the delay doesn't mean I accept it.  If a developer isn't big enough to have a full-time staff, then they aren't big enough to service me.  I also can't buy products with PayPal, and I have monthly credit card purchase restrictions.  If a developer can take a purchase order, they get preference in my buying choice.  The average cost of modules for DNN doesn't justify a purchase order, and it may sound strange but buying a $10,000 item is often easier for me than buying a $29 item.  Just give me $10,000 worth of value.

I don't buy the argument that social networking is a fad, though it will definitely change and mature as it gets accepted by enterprises.  We're already looking at Wikis and Blogs as options for knowledge transfer between employees, and moving many email conversations to a forum format.  All of these are good for business and make us more efficient.  None of the current DNN modules work in the ways we need, but the potential is there.  We probably won't be doing a Facebook implementation anytime soon, but the principles can be used for some unique data mining options we may not even have thought of yet.  As our employee base changes over to users who are more familiar with social networking options, our intranet will likely keep pace.

DNN is not the end product, nor are individual modules.  Keep that in mind when pricing and you'll be well served.  If you have a total solution, charge for it.  If you're just providing a cool widget, understand that you won't get rich.

Jeff

 
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1/3/2008 11:51 AM
 

Scotts modules over on www.ventriansystems.com are the business and for only $24 for six months access to all the modules and there source code is astounding.

His support is the best I have ever come across.  As an example I asked him a couple of weeks ago for 5 improvments to one of his modules.  He replied straight away and said that 4 of them would be in the next build.  2 days latter the next build was out.

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1/3/2008 1:31 PM
 

Ventrian is one of those companies that's in this for the long term.  They do great at their business, though it might be nice if Scott had enough employees to cover when he gets sick or needs a vacation.  :)

Mitch has a different approach, but still a good business.  His modules are pretty much free, but he does development work for money.  Some of the others, such as DNNDev, are a bit more organized around a specific product group and have a niche they fill well.

Then there are dozens of one-off developers who threw something up on Snowcovered to see if it sold.  They won't be around much longer, if they even still are, and their products are pretty much a waste of money.  It'd be nice if there was an easy way to spot these early enough to not get bit.

Jeff

 
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1/3/2008 1:42 PM
 

I too work in Local Government (Los Angeles County, California). For us DNN is a time saver and cost saver. As far as modules are concerned we always buy the source code, period. If the module developer goes out of business I simply don't care because I can made any modifications needed. I still have saved time and money. When I need workflow and versioning I write it myself.

The thing that i find funny when people throw out other CMS's is that I can develop in ASP.NET far faster than any other platform. If you haven't used the new LINQ to SQL you can't imagine how far Microsoft has come in the past few months. Plus, Visual Studio is the best product to develop applications (yes I have used many others).

When it comes to ASP.NET and CMS there is only one option to consider, DNN.



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1/3/2008 2:28 PM
 

[QUOTE]Joe Brinkman wrote

Also, I agree with Jeff that Social Networking is not a fad that is going to go away.  Social Networking is moving into the enterprise in a big way and you will see more and more vendors targeting this market in 2008 and 2009.

I still stand by my opinion - SOCIAL Networking is going to fade from the peak that it is at today - for many reasons. One I think that many of the people doing this are going to get tired of updating their pages after awhile - my sons have proven that. But probably more important is the fact that people are using Facebook and MySpace because it is free. If you had to pay for it the number of users would be drastically lower. Which leaves advertising as the only revenue for these services (with a very small potential for some fee based companion tools). Do I think there are opportunities to make money from advertising - yes. Are they going to make the money that Google makes from advertising - no way. So the question is will there be enough advertising dollars to build a profitable company on a long term basis - doubtful. Will advertising support a marginally profitable company - probably but for a limited number of players.

Now if we are talking about BUSINESS Networking - that is an entirely different animal. Now we're talking about fee based services rather than advertising based services. Huge difference.

Michael knows how to modify source code!??!?!     While I am talking about him I'd like to thank him for all the great article's aimed at us "budding developers" - they are always interesting and informative.

Greg

 
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