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2/3/2009 11:34 AM
 

I am a php developer and not really knowing much about asp and .net except that it is not much different in functionality from php and large organisations like to use it on microsoft servers.

I have recently completed a web site using dot net nuke as it was pretty much the only comprehensive cms system that was available for open source development on .net.

I am just having real difficulty finding the benefits of this cms package, everything seems to be bulky and non intuitive, I understand that there are many features to extend to large networks and managing multiple portals through one system. The support and documentation is all very hard to access unless you are willing to pay for it.

My argument is that with php there are many open source cms systems available my favourite of which is CMS Made Simple. A fairly active community and huge amount of free modules available. Probably the easiest CMS to template and very easy for any user to pick up and use straight away.

Can anyone tell me why Dot Net Nuke is better I know CMSMS is set for smaller scale websites but I know there are other larger scale PHP open source cms systems out there.

 
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2/4/2009 1:26 PM
 

Ok, here's my response...

I'll use whatever gets the job done.  I don't care about the 'best' or 'latest' bells and whistles, unless a client wants and needs them.  I've used Joomla, and found PHP and other 'CMS' systems and their modules not as intuitive as you suggest.  The availability of free modules doesn't mean much in any framework unless they provide a solution for the client with whatever level they need. 

With DotNetNuke the 'bulk' is very much there, and there is no lightweight version, and that's probably, a valid criticism if you don't need all of the 'bulky' features.  However, that's the market being targeted.  I don't need support for a lot of what's actually in DNN, but it hasn't stopped me either.  As a developer, it seems to be more of a task to keep up with developing modules in DNN than some other 'frameworks', and that's why there seems to be a lag in development of open source modules.  I guess, it comes down to preferences and taste.  If you like something about the framework that works with your native O/S preferred environment, then, it's worth putting up with the issues associated with it.  If your client wants to use something else, well, you help develop the solution, or lose the client.

I would say that the DNN community is fairly large as well, but in the past year or so, the actual number of folks that respond with 'real' help has dropped off.  I don't thinks it's a statement of lack of interest, but because most folks with expertise are 'busy' doing work that helps pay the bills.  I know I don't do much developement, but do try to engage in assisting where I can, and know lots of folks that do the same.  The DNN community is pretty friendly, and helpful in my experience.  The only thing most folks ask is that there is some kind of effort to 'read the existing' forums for a first pass at a possible solution, and basic searching of the 'ethernet' for help.  There is documentation, and like a  lot of other frameworks, it's the last thing to get updated.  I've been on forums of other O/S based frameworks, and don't find any better or worse help.  Documentation is not always as good as it could be for anything, but that's been the case in my experience of over 30 years of IT/IS work.  I've worked on micros to high-end Mainframes, and like a lot of things, I've come to appreciate them for what they are, but don't rely on only using just one type. 

Now, I can't say that DNN is always going to be the best framework for every case, but once you understand how it works, know your way aournd in .Net,  have the tools, and knowledge to work with it, DNN provides a very scaleable and cost-effective framework.  

In the end, it isn't the instrument but the musician that makes the music. 

 
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2/5/2009 3:59 AM
 

I ddin't find JOOMLA intuitive at all.

 

DNN is much more intuitive to me ... you want a new page... well just add a page.. want a module in that page... um... add a module...

 
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2/5/2009 11:41 AM
 

IWonder:

I agree with all you said.  Regarding the apparent drop in community assistance and participation in the forums, believe it or not, I think it is related to the fact that the Forums cannot send emails to track threads any longer.  This is beyond unbelievable, it is embarrassing to be honest.  In my opinion, and I have said this before, that feature should have been fixed as soon as it was broken, even if that meant the release of an intermediate patch version.  Or, just fix it for this forums and don't release it.  I really cannot understand the all or nothing approach/philosophy to the management of the Forums module development.  Why work in a bunch of fixes and new features for such a long time (a very long time) and leave a simple but important feature that everybody needs broken is beyond my comprehension.  I have managed software development projects for very demanding customers and if you break a feature that was working perfectly fine before (like it is the case with emails in the Forums) and then tell them that they have to wait until the next major revision to get it back, they would beat you up with a stick. 

Sorry for hijacking your thread, I do think it is relevant.

Carlos

PS  I clicked the Notification check box out of habit knowing I will not be notified if you respond.  I hope I see a response when I eye ball the list of posts again later.

 

 
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2/5/2009 3:40 PM
 

I haven't used other CMS's but I think the issue with DNN is the first few minutes when a DNN newbie starts using it. The person might have no idea how to start but once you explain to them the basic concepts like a page consists of panes and you can add one or more modules in a pane. Explain to them what a module, a skin and a container is, I think they can dig it and start adding content. There might be an initial shock or block.  I would have preferred a drag & drop method of dropping modules on the page like pageflakes.com.

 

You can download documentation from the download area. Try the forums for support.

Tony


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