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12/4/2013 5:55 PM
 
Personaly I am never used Webmatrix and install DNN manuelly.  Of course there are some Manual configuration needed e.g. Folder permissions for the root Folder, IIS configuration, SQL Server configuration and database creation, ect.  But I have never issues with it.
 
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12/4/2013 6:05 PM
 
Ah Mark....I feel your pain...and absolutely agree 110% with everything you've said here, and experienced exactly the same things.

I've been working on my own version of the install manual and upgrade manual, putting it in terms that I understand, and using screen-shots and config info that applies to my hosting environment. It makes it much easier for me on my platform.

Watching a newbie go from 1st-time viewing of DNN website through to install would be such a great investment for DNN.

When you build your new VM, have you service-packed it up to latest?
Hope it works out for you.

 
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12/4/2013 6:14 PM
 

Thank you, Rod. Yes, I was really meticulous about building the VM - installed 10's of updates, rebooted about four times I think and so on. The end result, pre-DNN installation through WebMatrix, is a fully patched WS 2008 R2 SP1 VM, with the ASP.Net role installed, no errors, etc. I can't find a single problem with it and every step I have taken to create this VM has been (where possible) using defaults. It's as plain vanilla as I can possibly imagine :)

Here's a funny thing. I have enlisted the help of my brother in the UK. He has no DNN experience at all (he is technical competent, though, since he's an IT Pro in his regular job) but is willing to learn. I wanted to guide him down that path but I've had problems myself with even the most basic of installations. I dare not ask him to try to workout where to start based on what he reads on the DNN site. IMHO, the content is a bit of a mess - and he follows his intuition he will probably end up at this page: http://www.dnnsoftware.com/Community/.... That clearly positions the "Standard" installation or WebMatrix as the preferred approach - and I know the story there :)

 

That's why I am interested in figuring out the WebMatrix (or Standard install) approach - that's the one he will probably use and it SHOULD be very simple.

Thanks again.

Mark

 

 
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12/4/2013 6:22 PM
 
Firstly,
- DNN does not control the WEB MATRIX install itself - its controlled by microsoft
- and for what its worth - the version of DNN available using that web matrix installer is almost 5 months out of date.

But regardless - yes in theory the MS installer can assist with dependencies - BUT it wont always do everything for you.
There are literally millions of possibly install combinations - and things can go wrong.

To go right back to the original error that started this thread - it was showing a message that is most often associated with
ASP.NET 4.x not being fully or properly registered. This can and regularly does happen = depending on the order that things are installed.
If asp.net 4 is installed first then iis is installed second - then the asp.net install script that usually registers the new version onto IIS will not have been run.

The web matrix installer is likely making an assumption that the asp.net install is valid.
Since it would test to see if ASP.NET is present on the machine ... but beyond that if asp.net is not registered then it would likely still
proceed with the install - but afterwards you would see the error from the original post - if asp.net is not registered correctly.

DNN is a complex system - and the many possibly types of systems mean that its a system that wizards cant always cope with.

FWIW however - i ran a full install of both the standard and web matrix installs on my test system - and got both to work.
- but the issues I noticed all stem from selecting the defaults.

Select the option to create a New WebSite and manually fill in the sql connection and folder location details.

Westa
 
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12/7/2013 2:33 AM
 

I am going to respectfully take issue with a number of your comments, Wes. Please take these comments in the constructive manner in which they are intended.

A common theme I have seen when dealing with DNN installation issues over the years is, essentially, "it's difficult and we can't control it all". Sorry, Wes, but I'm not buying that. I've all sorts of services/programs through WebMatrix. They "just work". A good example is WordPress. I've used that a number of times (my production server has DNN and WordPress running) and I've never had an issue with WordPress. It just runs, installs some basic stuff, navigates me to a web-basic wizard (no issue - ever - with ASP.Net running) and leaves me with a fully functional WordPress site.

In fact, here's an interesting data point. This apparently poorly-configured server on which I am trying to install DNN? I just run WordPress through WebMatrix - runs perfectly. No errors, no problems with ASP.Net - just leaves me with a fully functional WordPress site. That tells me that I have lots of stuff configured on this server just fine. And, to reiterate, it is intentionally THE most basic, plain vanilla WS 2008 R2 installation with the ASP.Net role installed. And I hasten to add that I haven't even THOUGHT about file permissions, SQL Server roles, IIS handlers - it took me less than 5 minutes to completely get up and running.

Meanwhile I just CAN'T get DNN installed. With all due respect, your response - which is consistent with many I have received when I have had installation questions - just seems to be trying to find excuses. I personally think that the DNN folds need to step back and ask a really simple question - "Is this good enough?".

Or maybe you just said it the way it is - "DNN is a complex system". Maybe it's just too complex now.

I'm sorry to vent but it's REALLY enlightening to me that I can install WordPress on this very same server through WebMatrix (despite the WordPress installer having the same challenge of having to deal with these millions of different combinations!) and yet DNN is so complex.

Now, stepping back, given that WordPress installed just fine, what does that tell us about the server? I assume that means my ASP.Net role is configured just fine (as I suspected all along) and that there are a number of other assumptions we can make. Any other thoughts on what the issue might be?

Mark

 
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