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11/16/2017 5:04 PM
 
BTW Can't you guys buy directly from DNNGo? That would be much simpler? And would save on money as well.

Peter Donker
Bring2mind http://www.bring2mind.net
Home of the Document Exchange,
the professional document management solution for DNN
 
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11/16/2017 9:18 PM
 

Hi Peter,

Yes, we can buy directly from the vendor if they are barred from the store.  However the vendor will no longer profit from the sales the DNN Store can offer, and the DNN Store would miss the commission as well. In addition, how will the vendor feel about their commitment to the DNN enterprise going forward? Was this excommunication without petition warranted because the code was so poorly done? I don't know, I haven't seen the code either. However I can say that we have dozens of clients. each running 2 or 3 of their modules. Yes, there were a few initial layout / update requests, that were quickly addressed, but we have not had any problems since. In any case, I am concerned about DNN losing their community relationships and possibly market share due to their own indifference.

I did get a message from Linda from DNNGo, who is monitoring this thread:

Hello Chris,

We saw your comment for this, thanks so much for your effort, that means a lot to us. We have fixed all the security issues in our modules, you can download the latest version of modules from here: https://www.dnngo.net/FreeDownloads.aspx

We will keep maintaining our existing DNN products, but probably won't develop any new modules or themes. If you still have any issue regarding DNN skins or modules, you can still turn to us for help.

BTW - we are already developing new wordpress themes lately, so we will put more effort on it.

All the best wishes to you!

Linda

 

 

 




Chris Wylie
Chief Executive Officer
www.AccordLMS.com
1775 W. State Street Suite 371, Boise ID 83702 USA
 
 
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11/16/2017 9:23 PM
 
Peter Donker wrote:
Fun thread. I have heard of this case only in passing and the description I received of the quality of the code was summed above by others. But disclaimer: I didn't see the code.

I am not sure I'd have done the same thing as DNN Corp but I have some empathy for the position they are in. And the thread IMHO illuminates a deeper issue: DNN Corp wishes to prevent "end users" from buying crappy stuff, finding out it's crappy and then thinking "this platform sucks". But the people that have jumped into the thread in defence of DNNGo are resellers. I guess Nina is perfectly happy to assume any risk from using DNNGo stuff on her clients' sites because she's responsible for the whole thing anyway. So she doesn't need protection by DNN Corp.

This wouldn't have happened were it stil Snowcovered because Brice really couldn't give a rats ass what happened to your site after you bought a module. But now that it is an official App Store I can see there is a different dynamic.

Can't see a simple way out of this mess.

 Boys Boys Boys - got your tongues wagging again.. you can't help yourselves can you?  No need for a personal attack Peter, saying I am happy to take a risk using their products.    What you've done here is shown what a tight, small elitist group we have within the "DNN boys club". 

Fun thread. I have heard of this case only in passing and the description I received of the quality of the code was summed above by others. But disclaimer: I didn't see the code.

 I guess Nina is perfectly happy to assume any risk from using DNNGo stuff on her clients' sites because she's responsible for the whole thing anyway. So she doesn't need protection by DNN Corp.

I got the special treatment AGAIN - A personal attack on me. That's what it is Peter, you couldn't help yourself and had to go there.    Why?  

And this comment..... 

But the people that have jumped into the thread in defence of DNNGo are resellers.

That is fundamentally flawed.. not all are resellers.. and let me ask you Peter.. What difference does this make if someone is a reseller or not?  Please explain the relevance as I am not following.  I am pretty sure most of the developers selling on the store hope to sell to resellers.  Their market to the end user is so small because DNN is primarily a 'developers tool'. It's geared that way.

Let's just get things in perpsective... One of the most popular theme developers had a problem, and it's raised quite a perception imbalance because there are other skins on the store that had issues as well and are back online.  (You'll find this occurred with the 'good developers' who are in the DNN boys club) .. sssshhh.. don't tell anyone will you!!

DNNGO are not the only ones who convert templates from Envato and other theme designers using bootstrap methods.  Porto was and several others I've seen and recognise were and are WordPress themes.   Several developers / theme builders do this.   But now after 5 years or more online, being visually popular, DNNGo  and those sales they made for DNNCorp and Snow, something didn't work so well, and to protect the name of DNN, just ditch the developer because their code to fix is not to the 'standard' of DNN today.    

Here is what I can tell you as a fact as I have had personal conversation with developers who reached out to me.

DNNCorp didn't like their fix - they said it was shabby and not done correctly in their opinion.

But let's not help them sort it out because Lord knows we don't want any more competition. 
DNNGo are popular with the users of DNN who build smaller sites and want to compete in the world of WordPress by offering good solutions that affordable.  

If it was someone else I DID NOT USE, I'd be talking to them and I read their predicament,  I'd be reaching out and asking 'ARE YOU OK'.  I really care about people in general. sympathy and empathy. something that is fundamentally lacking here. Try practising it sometimes.. I call it - Put your shoe on the other foot. 

Here's how I would have solved the problem.. 

  •  - Realised the importance of such a popular developer to be successful based on the enormous sales achieved by them over the last few years.
  •  - Reached out and assigned a dedicated developer support person to help them get their products in line with the standards that met DNN 
  •  - Re Introduced them to the store with a nice story on how DNN helps developers and community and why more poeple should use DNN because it's a great product in spite of the challenges we have.
  •  - Use this as an example on why and how DNNCorp has a good balance of community and developer relationship, across the board, even if you work in the smaller budget market, a good theme developer is BADLY NEEDED by DNN because if nothing it's getting slaughtered by all the other options available.

All you've done here Peter is shown the world how much you don't like me along with so many other of the the DNN team because I don't subscribe to your 'boys club' behaviour.  If you had such a problem with me, why not reach out, why bring this conversation online?  

Why the personal mention of my name?   Was your day not busy enough? Do I frustrate you because I don't use your modules?  

You need some cheering up...  Come on over to Australia, spend some time in the real world with us Aussies and pick some strawberries on my organic strawberry farm.. http://www.bimimbi.com.au and we can talk about why I didn't buy your modules and used Evotiva's document manager instead.   :-)   

Here's a final suggestion, instead of spending your time on how much you guys in 'DNN Boys Club' dislike me, why not spend that time looking to the future and getting DNNGo back online, and in a better fashion so ALL those people, not just me, who have purchased their modules and themes.

If you think I'm the only one who thinks like this - you are living in a bubble.  


Nina Meiers My Little Website
If it's on DNN, I fix, build, deploy, support,skin, host, design, consult, implement, integrate and done since 2003.
Who am I? Just a city chic, having a crack at organic berry farming.. and creating awesome websites.
 
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11/16/2017 11:37 PM
 
"I got the special treatment AGAIN - A personal attack on me. That's what it is Peter, you couldn't help yourself and had to go there. Why?"

Nina, I didn't mean it as personal as you're taking it and I'm genuinely taken aback by the viciousness of your response. And also I cannot remember ever mentioning you before, so I don't get the "again" either. I took your name out of the group that replied to this because your post had the most exclamation marks and capital letters. But the comment about accepting risk on behalf of clients was much more innocent than you portray it to be. So I'm sorry that I've upset you to this degree.

My point was this: in the business world I know, if you're a company between end users and some manufacturer, you're assumed to take some "risk" (usually you get to make a margin on the product then as well). A friend of mine who runs an IT business where he's still selling "stuff" tells me many times as to how he's not protected by consumer laws and that end users can get money back from him but he can't from the manufacturers. I also act as go between for some of my clients and it is on me to evaluate/judge what is in their best interest as I'm supposed to know.

I contrasted that with the Apple App Store which is the bench mark of "closed market" stores. There Apple is extremely restrictive and you're lucky to even get an answer if your app is refused. This is because any Tom Dick and Harry can go and buy apps and get themselves in trouble. Apple is fiercely protective of their brand and they keep tight control on this.

At the end of the day I felt that we are probably best served by an open store to regain some dynamic. But that I could understand that DNN Corp reacted more like Apple in their own store. This is also why I said: how about sidestepping the store? I also sell outside the DNN Store. I don't find that weird or disloyal or anything.

I cannot comment on or judge the lack of communication as I'm not privy to the communication that went on between the two main protagonists. I think it's safe to say that DNN Corp has a history of bad communications and will probably need to learn how to handle these things.

One more thing: "instead of spending your time on how much you guys in 'DNN Boys Club' dislike me". I don't think for one moment that attitude helps anyone. Sure, you're pissed. I get it. I'm trying to add perspective. But I'm wary of those that at every mishap proclaim that it is some conspiracy against them.

Peter Donker
Bring2mind http://www.bring2mind.net
Home of the Document Exchange,
the professional document management solution for DNN
 
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11/16/2017 11:40 PM
 
How did dnnsoftware become aware of DNNGo's modules security vulnerabilities? I am just curious.
I read the whole thread. Looks like DNNGo fixed the issues but dnnsoftware refused to put them back pr some of them in the store because of code quality. Is dnnsoftware in a position to evaluate and determine the code quality of modules or just that modules meet security guidelines and checks? Module developers code in different styles. What is good quality for someone might be bad for another developer. Also if a module works reliably, safely and performant and does what it claims it does, do module clients care how it is written under the hood? 
So the next question is did dnnsoftware notify DNNGo on HOW and WHY their code quality needs rework?
This what happens when a business model is dependent on another company's business. They are at the mercy of the host company. Just like when Facebook changes its API or programming structure, suddenly companies are out in the naked cold. 
So a message to module would-be developers, this can happen to you. Unless you're OK to be dependent on selling on your own site only.
**: I am not affiliated with DNNGo in any shape or form.
 
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