One more thing.... it's not bad if it's 4x slower if you use it for a 10-20-50 (or other smaller number). But if you look at a bigger picture and you see that bigger picture can include a bigger load (bad examples: page templates, file sync., search index) you will soon see that 4x (and 4x is often much bigger then 4x) is a problem... and becomes a real problem when you give it to real users with real needs.

No you haven't... Sometimes my posts come off like that, but I don't mean them to be. I like the forums generally as a means of different people expressing their opinions... sometimes these opinions are quite different and spark a vivid discussion...

I don't feel your contradicting me, but if you say somethimg and I do have an opinion which is different than yours I usually try to express it so that people can see it for themselves and decide accordingly. I expect of course that you will do the same (you or anybody else) and if you see something on which you don't agree with me or think it's just plain wrong that you will say it in the forums... I even hope we will have a vivid discussion on it

Cheers!

Thanks everyone for the responses I have some ideas i will try now.  I will let you know my progress.

Thanks.

Joe.