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3/23/2007 9:48 AM
 

I was excited to see that Charles Nurse had picked up on my thread regarding Image manangement and the Text editor.

The gist of it is that DNN needs to take the lead in providing a standard that will allow module developers to provide managed Image and media content.

The main area where this breaks down is with the HTML/Text Editor.  With so many modules using this, and allowing images to be uploaded and not tracked.

I am sad to see that this Major  ISSUE had been withdrawn and listed as a do not fix.

Take a look here: http://support.dotnetnuke.com/issue/ViewIssue.aspx?id=2100

If you agree, please help shake this tree and get this back on the development track.

Thanks

 
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3/23/2007 1:45 PM
 
issue has been reopened, though I would not expect a change soon, as this would require some additional handling - and an decision of the core, that it is worth while.

Cheers from Germany,
Sebastian Leupold

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3/23/2007 4:15 PM
 

That is good news.  Thanks.

If anyone want to discuss it or play with Ideas I think it would be very positive.

There are some additional discussions in Ventrian's forums:

http://www.ventrian.com/Support/ProductForums/tabid/118/forumid/4/view/topic/postid/16950/Default.aspx

 

 
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3/26/2007 8:35 AM
 

Some of my latest thoughts:

The true place to start is with the editor.
Honestly though a module needs to be content aware and images and media are far more of a problem than all of the text ever written in a site combined.

When an module deletes content it needs to be deleted.  Right now this doesn't include the most space intensive content.

The point is that the text editor should handle the uploads the placement etc.

It should also have hooks for the module programmer to pre-determine how images are handled.
This means where they are placed, How they are named and the modules need to be able to track the images.

As an example:

  • If an articles module specified a unique location for Article Images.
  • Next, the names of the images were set with the article ID appended.
    Again the programmer provides the editor with the proper Info to do this.
  • When a program includes the editor, it can run a function (lets say when you click update) that will return the names of all images.  (Remember the path is already set by the module).
    This could then be stored in the database and those images could be cleaned up along with the article.
  • When the module manages the images, the storage location and naming should not need to be known by the end users.

I emphasize any solution that doesn't clean up non-text content as well as text is not a complete solution.

 
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3/28/2007 8:19 PM
 

(sorry for the re-edits, but something is going spazzy with the fonts here)

This is the biggest issue facing DNN from the perspective of all my clients. I've been posting about it for over two years all over the various DNN-related forums and I've been harassing developers left and right about providing this functionality. I'll have another go here now that the point is gaining some momentum.

Image management absolutely has to reside in one place, rather than be dealt with differently and inadequately by every module. The current situation whereby each and every developer has to implement yet another variation on adding or inserting images has led to the silliness of having to document 5-6 different methods of "How to add an image to your site"... which is what I am currently having to do. It's unbelievably dumb in the eyes of my end-users, especially when every other popular site they use, from eBay to Myspace, already does it all automatically.

I'll copy in some of my points from a recent post elsewhere:

What is present in the FTB/FCK editor is:

  • Uploading images
  • Creating folders
  • Browsing and selecting thumbnailed images
  • Setting basic image formatting such as Position/alignment/links/titles

And what is missing is:

  • Resizing images on upload.
  • Displaying dynamically resized images within the editor's output.
  • Auto-linking the dynamic images to the full size original
  • Deleting, copying, moving and renaming images (displayed as dynamically-generated thumbnails) and folders by non-admins

I can only see two ways to deal with it:

  1. Wait for the FCK team to add this to the editor and then make it work with DNN.
  2. Make a special image management tool/control/provider and slip it into FCK as Mauricio has already partly done with his thumbnail browser.

Number one is the ideal, but isn't happening any time soon (it's been three years already).

Number 2 is only a workaround, but it is the next best solution, because it would provide standard functionality in one place for use by all modules.

There are so many pre-built asp gadgets around the web these days that I'm convinced most of this is probably already available elsewhere. There's even an addon for the simplistic HTML-Area that does it and is available for most of the usual PHP portals.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/imgmngedt

PHP Image Manager, Image Editor for HTMLArea. Manager - cached thumbnails (JPEG, PNG, GIF depending on GD), filmstrip view, delete, create folders (if permitting), uploads. Editor - Resize, Crop, Rotate, Save as

That's what DNN needs, but it requires buy-in from the top to get it happening.

/end rant

Rob

 
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