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4/26/2007 12:31 PM
 

I need to implement a CMS for the school district I work for. The main requirements I have are flexibility, extensibility, and ease of use (for the content authors) and it needs to be on the ASP.net platform and oh, by the way, it needs to be free or very cheap. It's those last two requirements that keep hanging me up! There are many terriific open source CMS apps for the LAMP environment, but that is not an option for us. So far, DotNetNuke looks to be the product that comes closest to fitting the bill. The only other major contender I have found is Umbraco.

So here's the deal. I messed around with both Umbraco and DNN for a few days. As far as the core of what we will be doing -- authoring, updating, approving, and publishing articles and pages of content, Umbraco seems to be better suited and doesn't have a lot of unnesessary bells and whistles that "nuke" type portals have, including DNN. However, two major strikes against Umbraco for me are that the source is all in C# (I can learn it if I need to but that adds to the timeline) and more importantly, there is no where near the level of support and documentation and general community presence that DNN seems to have. That one scares me.

So, now I am looking deeper into DNN. Here is basically what I want to do. So far, the jury is out as to whether this can be done within a reasonable amount of time and effort.

  • First and foremost, I have yet to find a module that gracefully handles the core of our work process. Am I overlooking something obvious? At least 75% of our site will be just pages of information and articles. We need to be able to establish a workflow that ensures that content is kept current and that only authorized users can create, edit, approve, and publish content. Is there a core module that is designbed with this in mind or will I need to find one and/or develop my own?
  • I need a site that doesn't look "nukey". You know what I mean? Every site I have seen that is running on a nuke type portal seems to share the same basic "blocky" structure. Please understand, I am not being critical -- for a portal site, this seems to work well. I'm just asking how difficult it would be to develop a site based on DNN that flows more gracefully.
  • We are concerned about standards, code validation, and usability. I noticed that the default installation of DNN ( as well as this site) does not validate. How big a hurdle is that going to be? I have not yet looked at the generated code, so I just need a general idea as to whether anyone else has tackled this issue and what their results have been.

DNN seems like a solid platform to me. It has many strengths. But before I spend a few weeks trying to get it to fit our requirements, I just wanted some general information to help me decide if it's worth the effort or not. Thanks for any help and comments any of you can provide.

 
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4/26/2007 2:07 PM
 

Ok, I should be able to help point you in the right direction....at least a little bit.

For content with a moderation queue, you might want to look at the Ventrian.com News Articles module, it does have some approval processes built into it and it might meet your needs.  Out of the box DNN isn't a CMS system directly therefore the workflow items are not implemented in the core.  I am sure there are other module options out there but News Articles is the only one that I know (and have used).

As for not looking "Nukey" this can be done, and it can be done quite easily.  To give you a few examples below are all DNN sites, even use the DNN site itself as an example.

http://www.lazer1033.com <- Running DNN 4.4.1
http://www.snapsis.com 
http://dnnjungle.vmasanas.net/
http://www.mitchelsellers.com

The layout of the site all depends on how you want your content to look and you can build a new skin fairly quickly.

In regards to validation of the code, particularly the generated HTML, yes this is not 100% out of the box correct, but I do know of individuals that have corrected the content to be compliant.  I know that the Snapsis.com page blaster module is a great help for tweaking the core to generate compliant HTML code.  As for the overall level of effort I am not sure what it would take.


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4/26/2007 3:16 PM
 

I will leave the code compliance to the experts. I saw a post the other day stating that DNN is really a Portal Application Framework and not a CMS. I often think of DNN as a CMS, but I guess if you follow a more rigid definition it might not be. I suppose that CMS is more about the author-review-approve-publish model. I don't know of any really great modules for that.

But XMod is one of the most powerful DNN modules out there. www.dnndev.com With it you can build any type of input form for content and display templates for list/detail views of that. It also has a rudimentary workflow for approvals. They provide pretty good support and have a forum. So you might want to jump over there and see what they think. I know they are in the middle of a preview of their version 5, which may have some added CMS built in.

As for the look and feel, I cannot understand why everyone still sees DNN as boxy. There are some great skinners out there putting out some nice and creative skins. Here are a few.

http://www.identityventures.com/ a site I did with skin by www.salaro.com

http://covenantcareadoptions.com/ - this has XMod used for the adopting parents at http://covenantcareadoptions.com/covenant/BirthMothers/AdoptingFamiliesAvailable/AllAdoptingFamilies/tabid/454/Default.aspx

http://www.cmoamerica.com/ - may be a little boxy, but uses XMod heavily for a full product management suite.

http://www.sacphost.com 

http://www.decisionsource.com/ and http://www.ristken.com/ by Tyler Fawcett

Best wishes on your project.


Forerunner Communications, LLC
DotNetNuke Integration Specialists

 
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4/26/2007 4:11 PM
 

You may want to check out Ventrian's news article module. It has an publishing/approval system and it''s template driven. Very flexible module that can even be used as a blog. It may get you 85-90% of what your after. Bonus: Source code included.

This is the second time in the past 10 minutes that I have referred the News Articles module in a forum post. Scott should be giving me a kickback

 
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4/26/2007 4:32 PM
 

Why do I always seem to forget about Scott's stuff? He has been on DNN since dirt and is a rock solid developer. I have had a subscription on his service since it was offered. But I just now saw the Property Agent module. WOW that opens up a lot of possiblities. I really need to check that out. I am not currently using the Article Manager, but it might well meet your needs. You might also check with Scott to just see where he is heading with his modules and if anything new is on the horizon. AFAIK Scott is still full time into DNN development and I am glad of it.


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