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6/4/2007 5:39 PM
 

ok, if you follow the never upgrade rule..   we all would be on 1.0 ..    so let's move beyond that ..    when you do upgrade and it has bugs and you need those fixes, you must upgrade, you get new bugs, you need fixes... etc.   

No, I am not running Vista..  and hopefully I wont have to for 10 years..

and for the record for the 100th time...     I believe dnn has moved beyond the free point ...     if everybody paid $20 ...   you wouldnt have had to go Gold   and there would be paid developers....

But the good news is you can always go Platinum  :)

 
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6/4/2007 9:13 PM
 

The fact that there is a basic app that fits the needs of most basic sites is an appeal DNN shouldn't loose. It's basically the same thing as Lite, Basic, Premium, what-have-you version that most software developers have adapted. But core team also need to eat - thus programs for those who directly benefit - developers of 3rd party tools.

It's a better marketing strategy - Basic/Lite is free, add ons cost money. I don't think I am saying anything new here.

And finally... - we've been developing strictly for DNN for the past 3 years. I honestly do not recall any version that was so buggy that I just HAD to upgrade.


Vitaly Kozadayev
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6/4/2007 11:43 PM
 

brian wrote

However, I am now in limbo and cannot upgrade either until DNN resolves issues.    This is a live ecom site for a real customer with a real business.    I now must tell them I don't know..  it's when it is ready so deal with it..   oh but the core team encourages the use of the software as a real world solution framework.

90% use DNN to host family pictures..  but the 10% are impacted at a much higher level.

Personally Brian, if you upgraded a productions site without.....

1) Installing the upgrade on a "test/QA" server and verifing all the site features still worked as expected.

2) Made a backup of the orginal site files and DB so you could easily roll-back the changes, before upgrading the production site.

Then you have no grounds to stand on complaining how your customer sites has been adversely affected.  The core team or the quality of the release is not the reason you have to tell them "You do not know" and "When it is ready deal with it".  The reason you have to tell your customer that is becuase you yourself did not follow "best practices" for deploying an upgrades to production.  You should always test upgrades and backup files/DB (QA and Prod) before you deploy any upgrades.  That is true of any project you deploy (ASP.NET, Smart App, etc) not just DNN. 

You state the core does not have any QA testing process in place, but you obviously don't have any QA processes in place either for upgrades for your mission critical customer sites.  No one on the core will say the QA process is perfect for the core modules or the core, but they are better than then were a year ago and we are continuing to put processes in place to keep improving this process.  The module release tracking functionality was the first on many steps, and the next will be to implement a more formal TestCase process for all the core modules.  After that we will look at using the same module for the core. 

One final thought: You keep saying that DNN has past the point of being free, but you refuse to becom a benefactor.  Action speak louder than words.

 

 
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6/5/2007 12:20 AM
 

Something people may not realize right away is that the DNN move to ASP.Net 2.0, and actually the creation of the 4.x line, is more than just the addition of new features.  This has taken many really major architectural changes to the core which as you well know, introduces new unexpected bugs. 

So to all of you out there getting inpatient, please wait a little longer, pretty soon DNN is going to be awesome (even more than it is now).

Now, the only suggestion I have for the Core Team, and you probably know this, is that you make a big effort to not introduce any new features into the core and just dedicate your efforts to correct bugs.

And yes, you don't have to upgrade with every new release, I think I am running all major versions of DNN on my server including 1.0.10e, 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x.

Carlos

 

 

 
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6/5/2007 12:59 AM
 

I would love to see a few releases that were for stablization only with no new features.


Icthus Technologies

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