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6/29/2007 12:12 PM
 
VashJuan: SPS=sharepoint portal server. I'm specifically referring to Office Sharepoint Server (MOSS) "for internet sites" (you know MS and their 20 flavors for everything)

fooberichu: thanks for the answer. you did those two sites in straight WSS (no SPS)? was it the WCM getup where content managers could create their own pages and update their own content in wysiwyg? those sites are well done, IMO.

so i guess my question was more: which product would take less doctoring to meet my needs, rather than which is a better product (since they're so different). in the case of WSS, it seems very difficult to setup for easy wysiwyg WCM that employees could use for content updates, rather than just documents. in the case of DNN, looks like I'd have to go 3rd party to match the document and workflow capabilities of WSS.

I think coming to the conclusion that it's better to doctor up DNN with third party than to get WSS which doesn't really have third party (just a $40k upgrade). given, this is a DNN forum, and I haven't gotten any replies on the sharepoint forum...
 
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6/30/2007 11:46 AM
 

Those sites were straight WSS 1.0, a major pain in the bum to actually make it look that decent.  The issue we had was that for our users to actually be able to do anything, they had to be on IE6 (IE5.5 on MAC was "ok", but not complete).  FireFox, Opera, Netscape, etc... none of those would work good with WSS 1.0.  I have no idea, but I'm sure they've fixed it by now. 

We were able to set up some templating where a content manager could create their own pages and have it apply the correct template and all.  Funny thing is, all the forums and everybody else was telling us "you can't do that with WSS", yet we managed to accomplish it.  Was it easy?  Hell no.  Would DNN have been easier, oh yeah. 

Again, my experience with WSS is limited to version 1.0 which was, for all intents and purposes, a piece of crap. 

If you have access to WSS 2.x (which if you have Windows Server 2k3, you do), I'd say create a portal in WSS and set it up side-by-side with a DNN portal.  Take notes as to what it takes to create each one and compare the setup process -- which is easier, which is more intuitive.  Then go through it and evaluate it "out of the box" to see how close it gets you.  Once it comes to customizations, it will take just as long to make a webpart for WSS as it does to make a module for DNN.  I think skinning is probably "easier" in WSS now than when I worked with it because it supports master pages, but DNN has supported some nice skinning like that for a while.

The fact of the matter is, you need some heavy document management and there is *nothing* for DNN out there that compares to WSS or SPS for that.  There are some great products out there, but they do fall short (this is as far as my knowledge goes... I could be wrong).

Of course, you are right in saying that this is a DNN forum and so of course people here will be biased towards DNN.  People on a sharepoint forum, should they ever actually answer you, will be biased towards sharepoint.  The luck of the draw is that with DNN, people actually do answer now.


-- Jon Seeley
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Custom DotNetNuke and .NET Development
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6/30/2007 2:54 PM
 
awesome advice. Thanks fooberichu.

so I tried setting up a portal in WSS, and it's not intuitive at all. I'm an asp.net guy, and the WSS portal framework adheres completely to the asp.net portal framework, which is quite different from DNN's. If you're a programmer, the WSS portal framework is more consistent; if you're a content manager, the portal framework is just not intuitive at all.

I skinned them both-- dnn was easier, obviously. You can skin master pages in WSS through sharepoint designer ($$$), but there's an issue of globally applying master pages. Also, i had to make wiki sites for the content managers. Pages in WSS are considered .docx files, but wiki pages are true site pages. so the only way for content managers to be able to make website-consistent page content, they had to use the wiki template (which took them a while to catch on to).

I'm going to go with WSS for my particular instance, because doc. management and office integration turned out more important than ease-of-use for my department. For anyone else reading this, here's my conclusion. DNN is much easier for the programmer and the content managers, but it lacks in document management (and the survey module) and office integration. WSS is bulky and difficult, but more capable out of the box. As such, it may seem wise to go with WSS, but seriously assess your need for doc. management, and check out those other modules. If you can, go DNN because it will save you a buttload of work. If you absolutely need doc manag. and office integration, go WSS.
 
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