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2/24/2008 6:49 AM
 

Hi

I wanted to give the forum some feedback on my experiences with Alicommerce on DNN.

Before I do, I'll go back to DNN Openforce in Las Vegas 2007. The get together was great. I left the show with the feeling that this product was going places. I was particularly heartened by some of Shaun Walkers comments.

DNN is a great product, it goes from strength to strength and I truly believe that it is now a World Class product suitable for thousands of applications. The comments I liked from Shaun were about modules. Shaun and the mangaement have realised I think, that although DNN core is great, substandard modules are having a big negative effect on the reputation of DNN and if the problem of module quality is not addressed, a lot of people will be switched off of DNN because of poor experience with a cheap modules.

So, Shaun announced the DNN marketplace and with that a statement  that all modules in the marketplace would be tested by DNN before they could be sold. A small cost was involved (I think he said $300 paid by the developer). He also intimated that if users bought modules from snowcovered that they should do it on a "buyer beware" basis as snowcovered has no QA in place. Great I thought, now I can buy all of my modules from DNN Marketplace and be certain that some kind of basic QA has been carried out on these modules and my only risk is whether I chose the right module or not.

E-commerce modules for DNN have been few and far between. There is a great module available called AspDotNetStoreFront, but priced at $1295 it is too expensive for basic shopping cart applications. I read somewhere that Ecommerce and DNN is a marriage made in Hell and from the lack of modules available and the quality of those available (excepting AspDotNetStrorefront) there may well be some truth in this.

When Alicommerce became available in the DNN Marketplace I decided to take a risk and buy a few copies to try on some projects that we have. On the face of it and if you play with the Alicommerce demo site the product looks simple. However, implementing the product with some basic necessities like shipping tables and credit card payment gateway integration is a different thing.

The product comes with no setup/user manual and no error reporting, so if you set something up incorrectly it just throws a DNN error and you have no idea what caused the glitch. Because of this you could spend hours/days, using trial and error to get a set of settings that actually work.

So Shaun, if you read this, how did this product get approval for the DNN Marketplace? Surely a basic user manual is a minimum requirement for any product. I also don't believe that this product was fully tested (as a full application on a webserver) by DNN so this puts a doubt in my mind about the whole DNN Marketplace approval system.

For now, I will treat the DNN Marketplace as no different to Snowcovered when it comes to module quality, and regard anything for sale there as unproven. Also, except for large applications where I will use AspDotNetStoreFront, I will abandon ideas of using integrated ecommerce modules with DNN. I will go back to established asp or php shopping cart modules that are documented, tried and tested and can be set up in minutes.

Chris

 
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2/24/2008 7:13 AM
 

Chris,

due to market constraints, the Marketplace has been opened up to uncertified modules as well, but you are able to identify tested product by the "DNN reviewed" label. For details on the review program, please see http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Programs/Review/Overview/tabid/959/Default.aspx.

For DotNetNuke modules, that ship with DotNetNuke, new Module versions need to pass the review process, in oder to get packages with DotNetNuke.


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Sebastian Leupold

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2/24/2008 10:51 PM
 

Chris,

I can understand your frustration greatly, I just completed a review of AliCommerce that will be published on DNNCreative here in the next week or two.  I have to say that overall their product is good, it can use some documentation, but it is also a first release of software, and I believe that uses must understand that.

To your point about the difference between DNN Marketplace and SnowCovered.  My personal thoughts are that regardless of where you buy a product, it is buyer beware, with any product there needs to be a certain amount of buyer research completed, check up on the developers, look for documentation, visit their websites, and ask around.  This is something that I know many people just don't think to do, but it should be something that you would do automatically, you always check out the product before you buy it....

I wish that more module developers would up the standards, but I understand how hard it is. 


-Mitchel Sellers
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2/25/2008 7:30 AM
 

Hi Mitchel

Good luck with the review, I don't know the scope of your review but I'll be interested to read it when it's done.

My disappoint ment with this whole exercise is that I misunderstood the purpose of the DNN Marketplace. I rather hoped that the Marketplace would have a set of design standards, including documentation, and that products would not be accepted into the Marketplace unless they complied with the standards.

I understand that this puts a further burden on developers but at some point this project has to enter the real world and be market driven. The benefit to developers is that once the bar is raised they can increase their prices. I for one would be happy to pay say $300 for a module that conforms, rather than waste $100 or less on a module that just gives me headaches.

So, come on Shaun and the management team, raise the bar for module quality and don't allow products to even appear in the DNN Marketplace that don't conform to accepted standards.

Otherwise, the DNN Marketplace will be no different to Snowcovered, standards will remain low and the DNN project overall will suffer as a result.

Chris

 

 
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2/25/2008 10:17 AM
 

Chris,

You bring up many good points.  Just for your reference in the documentation section here on this site there is a listing of what a module needs to have to be considered "reviewed".

I agree that the Marketplace needs to be dealt with, but personally I think it is a MUCH more urgent need for the core team to address issues with modules in the core that have either low quality or have been stopped for 8+ months due to somewhat unknown issues....


-Mitchel Sellers
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