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9/5/2008 8:01 PM
 

Matt wrote

Compare a business like this: http://www.engagemodules.com/

to this:  http://www.smart-thinker.com/   who would you be more inclined to buy from?

I totally don't mean to sound like a d*ck. I guess I'm just frustrated as a customer that I can't find a good profile module solution for one of my websites - Active Profile didn't work for me.

No offense taken ;)   You are completely right.

I have had "Redesign Smart-Thinker" on my ToDo list for well over a year, but due to time constraints (I put all my efforts into enhancing the modules and trying to make PokerDIY look good) it has not been done (to my detriment of course!). I've been sellling modules on Smart-Thinker for the last 3 years and the site still looks the same, not to mention I have not made any effort on SEO (whereas PokerDIY is number 1 for a lot of keywords). Unfortunately redesigning the site is going to take at least a week, but I will get round to it sometime - thanks for reminding me of the need ;)

 


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9/7/2008 2:08 AM
 

I am currently attempting to design a social networking site in dotnetnuke and so I am running into some of the things you mentioned. I will try to give you the answers to your questions as I see them.  Someone will correct me if I am wrong I'm sure.

 

1. Yes I think dotnetnuke would be a good match for your project but you aren't going to get the features you want out of the box.  You will create it with dotnetnuke as a tool that will make some things much easier. Dotnetnuke was mainly built as a business CMS for shopping carts and the like and has grown from that but if you look at the available modules you can tell that social networking is a new branch for dotnetnuke.  That means that some things that are easy in other CMS's are harder in dotnetnuke.  At the same time it means you have reliability and analysis features that rival the other CMS out there.

2. No.  It won't give you that ability but you can have it created.  It does not seem that the module you want exist on the market right now (though I think a lot of developers are trying to change that).  I wanted user home pages, similar to what you mention and am having to have a module designed to meet my needs.  You will likely have to do the same.  Also comercial modules are built for the majority of users, not you alone, so to be honest you will be hard pressed to find a module on the market that is just perfect for anything you want.  I am finding hundreds of little things I want that don't exist, like I wish this module would do it this way, or jeez it is soo close but not good enough.  If you are looking at snowcovered etc and saying these things than you will need a developed module.

 

3. Yes but again to get the exact functionality you want, you will probably need a developed module.  There are tag and comment modules out there and your best bet may be finding one with the source available and geting it modified for your needs.  The keyboard controls you require will likely have to be added to most modules you use.  I may be wrong on that but it is my guess.

4. Yes, but most of them have already been discussed.  But think of them as short cuts not out of the box solutions.  A lot of these modules offer source code, either modify it if you are able or hire a developer, it can get expensive if you have to do this a lot (I know to well) but if you are a perfectionist like me and want things your way it is the best way to go about it.  (as for the impatience I am right there with you, but if it is worth doing it takes time)

5.  Well I'd suggest what you are already doing is a good start and to continue it.  Read every post on the site and learn more about dnn.  Look for a developer who's work you like (both the module and the code behind it) and see if they are available for work, if so ask for a quote and suggestions about how those modules could best be created matching your needs and staying in the budget you have.  Also know what you want it to be in the end but be flexible on how some of it is accomplished.  You might see the module one way and there might be an easier solution that would make it cheaper and faster. 

I think dotnetnuke is moving in the right direction with social networking but for those of us who want our site up yesterday it can't move fast enough.  I think there is also a bit of a worry about moving to social networking because of all the people who want to make it rich cloning myspace and don't want to put the money into it.  For those of us trying to start a real (and different) social networking business, it can be hard to get the things you need.  Oh and dotnetnuke offers great security features in my mind, which is one other reason I think it can be great for social networking, social networking sites are often the victim of attacks (I am under attack now and dealing with it), by the way, Im under a ddos attack and it has slowed me down, but dotnetnuke and my site haven't crashed once

 

 
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9/8/2008 3:28 PM
 

 Thanks a lot Greg for your lengthy response. 

It feels good to be moving down the right track after having moved down some other ones, and I think that you're right. I have to be patient. 

 

As I continue to move down this path, I'll continue sharing my experiences here for whatever benefit they may be for others.

 

Cheers

 

Bill

 
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9/8/2008 6:45 PM
 

shackleb wrote

Hi Rodney,

Do you mind if I direct some of my original questions to you about your Smart-Thinker product(s)?

1. can I provide my users with their own personalized home page (not necessarily as a 'here's who I am and the music that I like' self-expression, but as a personal tool - a module-based launch point that they can configure themselves)?

2. If so, is the solution accessible in a way that although some users may drag and drop modules to their page, users who are unable to use or see a mouse can use the keyboard to place them? (Any site that was compliant to the W3C's Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) or the American government's Section 508 provision would meet this requirement),

3. I don't know enough yet about Xmod, so I don't know how easy it would be to build tagging / bookmarking features in a way that, while providing the means for individuals to find their own stuff through their tags, would also contribute through aggregation to a sort of community 'folksonomy' (e.g. enabling the highlighting of site content based on most popular tags). Any thoughts on this capability re: your product(s)?

Hello Bill,

1) Yes, you can to a degree. The way I do it on PokerDIY (which demonstrates the full potential of the Smart-Thinker modules) is to have a dashboard for the logged on user as the homepage (when you are logged out it shows all the site updates). I follow the Facebook model (I use this to drive a lot of my requirements). I guess the questions is how much you can personalise it. I would say at the moment that Active Profiles allows futher UI customization, whereas my profile module is more flexible (due to templating).

2) No, my module suite does not support dragging and dropping. We are unfortunately not 508 compliant (this is a massive task for a small development company to be honest - I am not sure how many DNN modules are - is the core even?)

3) With regards to tagging - this exists in my modules (like the Groups module) but not to the scale which you desire. For example, on the Find Groups page, you have popular group tags on the right. Out of interest, have you seen the "Add This" bookmark script that you can add to most modules? It may help. Here is an example on a blog post (near bottom).


Please note that you can download fully functional trials of all the Smart-Thinker modules to see if they meet your needs.


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9/9/2008 10:56 AM
 

Thanks a lot Rodney for your reply.

If I'm getting this correctly, what's implied when looking at your poker site and considering your comments above, is that although I may not be able to offer my users customization of their home page to the extent that something like pageflakes does, it does go further than DNN's out of the box configuration in that custom home pages (as opposed to just profile pages) can be offered to them. This might be worth exploring as a stage in a graduated process while waiting for DNN 5 to arrive.

In the meantime, I noticed that you do provide (on your poker site) the ability to "add poker widgets" to other sites a user may use (e.g. their own wordpress blog, facebook, etc.). It appears that you're leveraging widgetbox to do this. It seems, though, that one would not be able to do the reverse - i.e. grab a widget from widgetbox or elsewhere and plant it on their own homepage, is that right?

Thanks again Rodney

 
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