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4/6/2009 6:41 PM
 

Advice please: I am new to DNN, I was recently assigned as webmaster for our company 's website and read Tracy Wittenkeller's 'DotNetNuke' Websites' cover to cover.  I found this book excellent.  I now find that our company website is hosted by a local ISP that has DNN version 3.7.7 installed on their server; we are portal 19.  After working through the the examples in Wittenkeller's book, which uses DNN 4.8.2, I was dismayed to find our website running on DNN version 3.7.7 which is less feature rich.  I asked the ISP to upgrade to a newer version of DNN and got this reply: "We will not be upgrading the DNN used for your website.  The DNN version used is dependent on the Operating System and Data Management System versions (as well as the .net version) used.  It would be a lot of work and expense to upgrade the DNN version."   I want to know if my request is really a big problem for the ISP,  or am I just getting the run around?  Should I be satisfied with DNN version 3.7.7.  My company wants me to intall rotating flash picrtures and a video window on the home page.  Is DNN version 3.7.7 adequate for installation of these features?  Any comments will be appreciated.  Thanks!

 
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4/6/2009 7:02 PM
 

 latest version of DNN 3 was DNN 3.3.7. Please make sure, you are not using a faked or forked version of the Framework.


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4/6/2009 8:05 PM
 

Dave Plaskett wrote

we are portal 19

Sounds like the ISP has you on a shared instance, trying to get them to upgrade is going to be near impossible. Mainly because they've got at least 19 other websites hosted in the same instance of DotNetNuke. If the version is truly 3.7.7 I'd start to look for a new host.

 
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4/6/2009 8:10 PM
 

Dave

What the hosting company is saying is probably factually correct.  They probably have you on a windows server running asp.net 1.1, and don't want to upgrade that server for whatever reason.  As stated by sebastian, 3.7.7 is the last of the DNN 3 versions, to upgrade to 4.0 you need asp.net 2.0 on the server.  It also sounds like you're in with other people as a portal on the overall install, which means you may not even have the ability to install new modules to the DNN install.

I would be recommending you move off version 3.x and get onto 4.x or even 5.x as soon as you can.  The sorts of things you want to do are trivial using a mixture of core and third party modules, but you'll find very little support for 3.x versions of DNN amongst module vendors, and there will be no more upgrades of the 3.x codebase by the core team.

However, you're not totally stuck.   All websites can be moved as long as you own and control the domain name.  I would recommend finding out how much it would cost to either get the host to shift your site to a new server (they'll probably say they can't do it) or move to a new host altogether, one which gives you the ability to upgrade your own DNN version (by having your own dnn install).  The per-month cost might go up a bit, but realistically, you can still host a DNN site for a few hundred bucks a year.  Even if your time is valued at $20 an hour, just two days of messing about with an old version will eat up the cost savings of sticking with an outdated platform. 

My recommendation would be to commence a site migration project, and get more control over your site.  Your host may or may not want to be involved- you can give them the option if you'd like.  Once you've got control over the entire DNN install, you can install modules, upgrade the version : do whatever you like.  And you won't get stuck on an outdated platform.  If you're not confident technically, then make sure you find a DNN host that is willing to support you with any difficulties.

(for the record, I don't have a recommendation on a DNN host - but I'm sure others may do)

 
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4/6/2009 8:15 PM
 

Firstly I'm quite surprised at the response you got Dave - it doesn't appear to answer your question - let me see if I can clarify this as I can see you do have a couple of issues here.

You're a webmaster of the site - meaning you have admin access only and can make changes to the site but you can't install modules - I would say that being Portal 19 indicates you're one of several sites on that build - and that's ok you know  because I run many of my sites the same way.

However, it seems that you're perhaps a bit more savvy than the last webmaster and wanting to do more with the site - and that's great news - it means the company will benefit from your efforts, but it also means you may have outgrown your current method of site management.

it is a problem for the web hosting company to upgrade their portals if they have several sites running it because you don't know the implications of the other websites that are sitting there.   I wrote a blog about child portals and their use - you might find it helpful to understand and how it relates to your situation because you are in fact a typical person who's looking to do more and may have outgrown the site as it currently is.

DNN 3 was a great build - in fact I've still got a few websites running 3.1.1 which I felt was the best DNN 3 version and the fastest.  After that, the changes started getting put in place for .NET 2 framework since DNN 3 runs on the .NET 1 framework, and over time there were two versions of dnn that were similar, but had different numbers to reflect .NET 1 and .NET 2 framework.  so, 3.3.7 ended up being the last .NET1 framework build, and 4.3.7  was the sister copy for a better word that ran on the .NET 2 framework and introduced people to the newer version of DNN 4, and now, we have DNN 5 which can run on the .NET 3.5 framework.

How this affects you is the limited amount of modules available but you might have a work around, but only if the hosting provider will install these modules for  you. http://www.inventua.com have a series of flash and media modules which they have provided since DNN 3 and perhaps they can be used.

You can also embed video and flash into the skin and this could buy you some time - In the early days we used to put alot into the skin, rename it and make it custom for that page, to give us the flexibility that wasn't there at the time.  It's a bit of work but it might buy you some time until you are able to make a decision on what you need to do.

Most module developers won't support back to DNN 3 as it's quite old.  The largest amount of users to date are on the DNN 4 builds, from what I see being offered for sale, and DNN still has here, as their professional version the DNN 4.9.2 build.

You don't have to be 'satisfied' with what you have, but you may make better decisions moving forward when you understand how and why you are where you are and why your hoster is reluctanct to upgrade you.

The mention of 'fake' DNN is confusing to me - I don't see why that comment was made, but you might very well decide that with your own experience and interest in this project, perhaps it might be worth considering upgrading to a new build (of course tI have no idea on how big the current site is so it might not be that easy).  By upgrading to a new build you could take advantage of newer methods and keep the data in place or most of it, if it's in a structure that allows you to export and rebuild, and you can modify the skin so it fits later versions of DNN.

It sounds like the site is a few years old - I could be wrong but i would say that it's a few years old, and like anything, is due for review, assessing whether to upgrade or rebuild and the current machine it's sitting on might not have the ram needed for later versions, or might not have the .NET2 framework installed, which sounds like it to me.

I would go back to the ISP if you are happy with them and they are local and ask them what's involved in doing the following -

1 - replicating your build on a single instance and doing this by duplicating the portal and deleting all the other portals from it (I have done this before and it works but not always the quickest thing to do)

2 - exporting your portal and putting in a new instance of DNN on it's own

3 - rebuilding from new.

This doesn't solve your problem but it does give you more information to go ahead and make some 'informed' decisions.  I don't think you are using a 'fake or forked' version of DNN and this is a misleading and confusing thing to say when all you want to know is.. why I am stuck on this version of dnn.

Nina

 


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If it's on DNN, I fix, build, deploy, support,skin, host, design, consult, implement, integrate and done since 2003.
Who am I? Just a city chic, having a crack at organic berry farming.. and creating awesome websites.
 
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