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6/7/2006 1:12 PM
 

In answer to the original questions:

  1. What level of DNN user does it mostly apply to?
    1. Medium to advanced (particularly accessibility and css).
  2. What kind of articles are typically found in it?
    1. Skinning, css, DNN time saving tricks and techniques. 
  3. Is it mostly advertisements?
    1. No none that I remember.
  4. Are there resources listed there that are normally not easily found on the web?
    1. Yes, e.g. Interviews with talented DNNers.
    2. The are very few streaming media DNN presentations on the web.
  5. How helpful has this publication been to you?
    1. Very helpful, saved us a great deal of research time.

Ignoring the extremely personal comments made about Lee Sykes by 'dnnster' the heart of his argument seems to be that the content is not wholly unique and original.  I question this premise, any learning requires a level of research and consolidation of other people ideas.  Lee Sykes is obviously an enthusiastic and committed DNNer, and I am greatful that he clearly uses many sources for his research, which he acknowledges and presents in his own unique and effective way.  However, although he is generous to others, he has his own ideas and rationale (look at the differences in his approach to skinning to that of, say, Tim O'Brien). More please Lee.  The cost of subscribing is trivial compared to the amount of research time we would otherwise have to spend.

Lucien


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6/7/2006 1:52 PM
 
Oxford Information Labs wrote

Ignoring the extremely personal comments made about Lee Sykes by 'dnnster' the heart of his argument seems to be that the content is not wholly unique and original.  I question this premise, any learning requires a level of research and consolidation of other people ideas.  Lee Sykes is obviously an enthusiastic and committed DNNer, and I am greatful that he clearly uses many sources for his research, which he acknowledges and presents in his own unique and effective way.  However, although he is generous to others, he has his own ideas and rationale (look at the differences in his approach to skinning to that of, say, Tim O'Brien). More please Lee.  The cost of subscribing is trivial compared to the amount of research time we would otherwise have to spend.

Lucien



I really could not add anymore to these fine comments
by Lucien other than to say that I am a subscriber and that I believe there is something for ALL levels of DNN competence, from beginer to advanced.  

As to the personal remarks, there are no silver bullets and  the way I see it is, I could have spent the same (or more) money on printed materials that would be outdated soon after release.   Also, I truly believe that Lee's commitment and contribution to the community is barely rewarded by the small subscriptoin fee charged.

-Eric


 
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6/7/2006 2:25 PM
 

However, although he is generous to others, he has his own ideas and rationale (look at the differences in his approach to skinning to that of, say, Tim O'Brien).

Sorry, you've lost me there, what do you mean?

I think dnnster's vituperative post is best ignored. There's enough free content over at Lee's site, including this month's free issue to allow you to judge for yourself. One man's easy to find content is another man's gold dust. There certainly aren't a lot of decent videos elsewhere.

Regards,

Tim O'Brien

 
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6/7/2006 5:15 PM
 

Oh, OK, if you were anyone else I would say look at your (excellent) tutorial, and then look at Lees.  There are subtle differences which are no better, no worse, just different rationale.  For example, Lee uses Javascript in his skin to rationalise the css hacks, whereas you provide a very vanilla approach.  I am trying (very inarticulately) to suggest that Lee is clearly his own man, and I gained a great deal by studying both of your work.

Lucien


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6/7/2006 8:53 PM
 

Well, you have some interesting opinions.  I do not agree with some of them, but I can see your point.  I am not going to go through your post and reply to every thing you said.  I just want to summarize that the information that Lee has on his site for subscription does have parallels to other sites with similar information.  I downloaded several tutorials for free before I paid for a subscription from DNN Creative.  The other sites did not explain it to me in the way I needed to see things.  Lee does an excellent job with his videos explaining how to do the various tasks within DNN.  It is all in the presentation.  The other sites had lengthy manuals, and he has videos, and shows you what to do.  That is all the difference I needed.

I had to learn administering and skinning DNN in very little time, and his videos showed me how to do things the right way, and I was creating a custom skin in about half a day.  Not only that, but when I had an issue with the CSS, I had asked for some help on a newsgroup, and Lee replied and helped me out.  I even sent him source code to help me figure things out.

If Lee is in it for the money, good for him, he is providing a service that I feel is worth the small annual fee that he charges.  He is constantly putting new content on the site to help people understand and make their DNN hosting and administering experiences better.

In my opinion DNN Creative is worth the subscription.  I get a lot of information on DNN, and I can keep up with all of the changes that go on within the DNN community.  Keep it up, Lee!!

 
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