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12/4/2007 3:46 PM
 

It seems there are serious flaws in the user base and authentication within DNN. I have had many problems in the past and have been monitoring this forum for some time in an attempt to resolve them, as well as monitoring other users issues. My current problem is apparent password corruption which renders login accounts useless! Has anyone else noticed the repetitive questions and lack of real resolution?

I have been a proponent of DNN for years but it seems to be getting to the point were it is not worth the problematic behavior inherent in the authentication mechanism. In addition, the disconnection of DNN with the core MS aspnet membership makes it even more difficult to utilize a single userbase across all applications in an organization.  Moreover, expectations of a single person to manage, update and respond to issues in relation to the authentication provider seems absolutely ridiculous. I'm not bad mouthing Mike, but somebody provide the man with assistance! I can't imagine having a fultime job, family etc... and still have time to respond to nearly every issue in this forum while resolving the real problem. Does anyone else expect this of MIke?

I'm admittedly a mediocre programmer and have neither the personal time nor experience to assist and are regretful for this since open source in my book is an incredible business model an I live in awe of those who contribute their time and expertise, but enough is enough. If a product as large as DNN is going to be put on the web it should work. Yeah, there are exceptions and will always be bugs etc... but this has got to change.

Sorry if my rant offends anyone but i needed to get my frustrations out. I have been trying for months to get a new multi-portal configured and in production and it seems like I now need to move onto a different CMS or environment. I've sold my organization on DNN for 5 years now but can no longer justify the time spent dealing with this issue.

respectfully,

Ken

 

 
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12/4/2007 6:24 PM
 

I feel the same way sometimes.  Seems like a solution is always one update away.  I will say that I am not sure that the problem of creating new users is entirely DNN's fault.  One thing for sure, Mike and the others are taking a new approach that will result in a more robust authentication scheme in the long run so I'm biting my lip and hoping to find solutions.

 
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12/5/2007 12:14 PM
 

Ken, password corruption is news to me with the AD provider (and shouldn't be an issue with the 01.00.00 release as it checks against the AD when a user logs in) or is this with the Standard DNN login (which would also be news to me but then I rarely get out of this forum these days)?

As for this particular forum, most of the questions are AD provider related and since that's my baby it's up to me to try to answer the questions. It's also my job to create an AD team which I haven't done yet (I'm being selfish with the code and want it just so ) but a number of users have sent me their changes and I've incorporated some of then into the next release of the provider. The biggest issue I've seen is the difference in setups for the AD. I've personally run into myself recently where it's stopped working fully for me on my test domain at home (not pulling all of the info from the AD) but it works just fine at work. That's the major reason why I haven't submitted the next version to the DNN Release Tracker. I'm unsure if I should submit what I've got now or just hold off and do a complete rewrite of the code (the majority of it is Tam's original code which I think was done under .NET 1.1 and I think some of MS's security patches over the years may be causing some issues).

 

 
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12/6/2007 11:13 AM
 

Ken, as Mike mentioned, some of these issues are related to the AD and authentication environment that people are using.  In my environment (full AD authentication / multiple domain, intranet), I see very little issues.  Part of that is due to my modifying the code to meet my needs. 

DNN has a lot going for it - in one of the recent blogs there was a CMS comparison chart.  For the price and functionality, there is nothing that comes close.  And yes, it is not perfect, but what software is?  With it being open source, I can at least modify it where it falls short and suggest changes to help make it better.  When I do modify code, I try to help others and Mike by sharing it here in the forum and/or submitting bugs with how I solved the issue.  Others have also worked around these issues in a similar means.  If this were not an open source application, that wouldn't be possible and at that point I would have to admit that I probably wouldn't be using AD authentication either.

I realize that your post is blowing off steam and frustration.  If you are not at a level where you can step through the code and help pinpoint where the error is happening, then like any other software package, you must rely on support to have time to understand your environment, pinpoint and fix the issue.  I give a lot of credit to Mike for the work he is doing.  He has a lot of work with this provider in that he has to understand the different environments that this package will be used in and try to meet everyones needs. 

My personnal suggestion:  If your issue is such a show stopper and you are investing a lot of time in trying to work around it, then perhaps you might look into enlisting/hiring someone who has some programming experience to come in and try to solve the issue.  Not only will you solve your problem, but you can help to make DNN a better application as well.  You've used DNN for 5 years.  For free.  With free updates.  Perhaps it is time to pay a little back?

 
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12/6/2007 4:44 PM
 

Hi John,

Point taken. I wish I was in that position. I realize DNN was originally conceived as a portal which for the most was developed for the Internet. Now it is used more frequently in Intranet applications. And, as such requires specialized configurations. I unfortunately are a contractor with little resources. In addition, the IT arm of this organization is increasingly shutting down any developers ability to develop within their systems/network. I know, it seems a little ironic.

Anyhow, I am  a little confident something will come out soon after reading mikes post. I do believe it may be time for DNN to stop trying to be the single stop application and divide into more configuration specific versions (leaner and meaner). For instance, any Intranet implimentation may have no need for payment processing or maybe even localization. Or maybe the authentication mechanism be completey modular with the choice of which one to use (Asp.net or DNN or AD) without any specific version tied to the core. I'm in favor of asp.net membership tied together with AD since it can be used from other applications.  I'm sure that would require even more resources  to support though.

Thanks for your feedback.

Ken

 
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