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1/4/2008 10:49 AM
 

Antonio,

This I can somewhat understand, as everything is as you mention a pro/con.

However, one thing that I know of that is a real cumbersome issue at times is file management, especially on a site with active blogs and other items.  I typically do not remove blogs from my site, but if I would delete them, it would be nice if we could have had the files deleted as well as it is always a good idea in my opinion to remove un-necessary files from the file system as it makes for a more clean overall system.

I do appreciate all the work that is going into the new release, and the blog API implementation in the future would be a great next step!


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1/5/2008 6:06 PM
 

The significant point that has been missed is that the Blog module binds images and files, uploaded through the publishing interface, directly to the relevant post. It lets the system manage posts as a single published unit, safe from accidental deletion, but also able to be edited, moved or removed  by the user as required. The Blog module is a proper content management tool in this regard and other modules such as the repository also manage their content like this.

DNN does not provide any such functionality in the core. 
Even if the file manager were available to non-admins, a file manager is not a content management tool.  <<--- This is very important!

"Streamlining" vital content management functionality to a simple file-drop (which is all that FCK provides) is not a "pro" by any measure. It's a serious "con". It completely breaks the CMS value of the blog. HP Shelian provided this CMS functionality long ago and since then DNN has not changed in any way that improves or enhances it. 

Even if there is future DNN functionality that is going to tie files and data together as managed units, one cannot simply remove this from one module so far ahead of time. It has to be done seamlessly after the new functionality has been implemented. I believe I even read that point in one of the DNN core module development documents somewhere.

I respectfully request that this be sent up the ladder a little further for reconsideration.

Best regards,
Rob

 
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1/9/2008 7:25 AM
 

I would like to add my voice to that of Mitch and Robax above. The removal of the blog specific upload function has a serious impact on the smooth workflow of this module. I have been able to get my (non-expert) users to get their heads around this work flow of previous versions of the blog and how it enables them to upload images. Now they have to be re-educated to use a different more cumbersome method, that also does not tie an image to a blog entry. All in all it is really a setback for the usability of this module.

On all other fronts v3.04 of the module is a definite step forward, but the removal of the blog specific upload function is for me – and also, it would appear, for Robax and Mitch - two steps backwards.

In conclusion I think the decision to remove this functionality should be critically reviewed in light of user reaction.

eoghano

 
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1/9/2008 9:18 AM
 

Point well taken.

Thank you.


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1/11/2008 7:08 PM
 

Just for anyone following this, there's a ticket in Gemini about it here: http://support.dotnetnuke.com/issue/ViewIssue.aspx?id=6947&PROJID=29

There are one or two additional points in there. In particular there is the problem that one can no longer simply provide module edit rights to anyone and let them create their own blog, as the module was designed to do. An admin would have to intervene after blog creation and prior to the first post in order to create a role plus a folder and apply permissions in the file manager for each new blogger.

Another point is that there is no upgrade path for the workflow.. how do people find their old files.. which posts do they belong to.. how does the admin know which of the hundereds of existing blog folders to assign to which user.. and not to mention the drama of creating roles for every single blogger in order to assign individual rights in the fist place.

Another point is that all other modules that provide any content management value to a multi-user portal also provide image and/or file upload tools. See the gallery, the repository and many others. If that functionality is removed from the blog then are the other modules also at risk?

Another is that other module developers go out of their way to provide this very functionality, not remove it. Scott is adding it to News Articles this month. Active Forums has a great advantage over the core forums precisely because it manages files and images uploaded with forum posts. The core forum here only provides FCK, and obvioiusly it is disabled - because it simply would not work. That's the case with the blog - it will not work for more than one or two users.

Ask Hans Peter why he those upload buttons in there.. he didnt' put them in for nothing. He put them there for a specific purpose that is not in any way provided by the core framework. Even if it will one day be part of the core, one simply cannot justify removing this right now. The core would have to add some sort of file, user and data relationship management code as a provider to be used by any module. If this is on the cards then that's fantastic, but it simply isn't there now.

Sorry for another long rant, but please don't let this go ahead.

Rob

 
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