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6/29/2007 5:08 PM
 

I have been with DNN for almost 5 years now with no plans on adopting or basing my business off of another portal product. I love DNN, support DNN and will undoubtedly stick with it.

I am also in the business (day job) of creating a portal framework specific to the private school industry. As a habit, I usually try to keep a running instance of "other" portal frameworks on my development machine as a source of reference. I have tried them all at one point or another.

I had held off on trying Joomla! for awhile and decided to try it out. I first installed the current version (1.0.12) and then installed the Beta 1.5 product.

I have to say that I am very impressed with their product. It's a very polished interface right out of the box. The 3rd party extension community is equally impressive as is ours.

Having XHTML compliance out of the box was impressive too.

Being a .NET developer, I have no plans to learn anymore PHP than I already know (re: HACK), but I do have to admit that Joomla! is very, very impressive.

 
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6/30/2007 7:42 AM
 

Ed DeGagne wrote

I am very impressed with their product. It's a very polished interface right out of the box. The 3rd party extension community is equally impressive as is ours.

Having XHTML compliance out of the box was impressive too.

I pulled another all-nighter trying to get the less-than-intuitive forum gallery installed and working so people can't browse my files like I can the DNN files on here, not to mention trying to figure out how to enable registered users to create new threads (I tried to search for solutions last night, but the search engine here...well, you know. I still can't figure out why the results of the search brings up threads that display duplicate postings (will display all posts in the threads in duplicate).

I am yet to figure out how to move the address section of the registration fields up above the captcha, as most people complete the forms in order, enter the captcha info, select the country, which, in turn, reloads the page while bringing in the state information (if selecting United States), which resets the captcha...forcing people to enter the code more than once. 

..still can't figure out how to fix the 'delete post' SNAFU that will stack the various reasons on top of one another when you select a different reason in the drop-down. 

I have all my timezones set everywhere, I believe, yet my feedback time-stamp is 4 hours off.  :)

I struggle to install many modules that claim the dll is missing, at which point I drop it in the bin folder to no avail. 

My site map displays less than half my pages, but I can't seem to get that fixed; tried to install the BTB site map module that also maps blogs and the like...returns an empty site map with BTB credits stating that they created the site map and nothing more - not the best plug for their product.

Half of the modules that I have downloaded for free support the old adage about things that are free; Brad's modules at Venetrian all worked perfectly out of the box, though (though I had problems installing some with the same dll issues, so I know it's just me). I like his private message module and spent some time polishing it to fit the site; I was about to integrate it into the forums, but I understand the next forum release will have this slick feature, so I might work through my other issues, then decide if it's worth the effort.

Did I mention the search function already? :)

I think I'll crash for a few hours and get back up on the DNN horse and try to get the forums finished.

I did decide to stick around, as I have some serious time invested and starting to learn more and more.  But I think you nailed it on the head--polished out of the box is a bit more attractive to those with no programming experience and limited disposable income. If you know asp.net and all the C#, C++++++++ stuff, I am sure it's a lot easier to do what you want to do.  For the complete newbies, however, from install to site creation, it's a bit more challenging. :)  Some things work flawlessly and ARE really polished out of the box. The drop-and-drag-and-adjust-a-few-setting-to-your-liking modules are amazing (the blog, the announcements, the html/text module, the FCK editor kicks butt, media, the links, and others, for example).  There are some, however, that have given me a small bald spot on the back of my head, though....did I mention how much I loved setting up avatars in the forums?  :)

Though this might sound like my first negative post, I just wanted to give the newbie perspective on rolling up the sleeves and starting from scratch.  It wasn't quite drop-and-drag out of the box.  But there is so much I love about DNN that I decided to stick around.  Quite the amazing platform that I hope to grow into.

I also love the 'hidden' and 'disabled' features...just figured those out a day or two ago. I won't even describe the technique I deployed previously to keep my work hidden and the riffraff out. :)  Godsend.

Did I mention how much I love the gallery module?  :)

I thought about finishing the site I am currently working on, then trying Joomla! just to have a look, but given the time I have invested and the countless hours of missed work and sleep, I feel I could start a new site using the templates I created (another godsend feature) and have a decent site, save the content, up and running in days...could probably crank 4-5 out by the time I get Joomla to do what I can do with DNN.  My goal is to have my primary site finished before I hit 100 posts.  :)

Guten Nacht.

 
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7/1/2007 1:25 AM
 

First off to everyone involved with this thread...  Kudos!  One of the most objective posts in these forums.

Having made a lot of money with DNN I must say the framework may be open source but the bsd license is to my advantage and my motivation to make money.  DNN is an unpolished framework and a starting point providing structure to focus on business application needs.  It is not polished but that is why we make the big bucks consulting, programming implementing and managing solutions.   We are able to develop a solution, compile it and for all legitimate purposes claim all rights and license it as we deem.

Benefits of DNN over Joomla :
1.  .Net Development Framework and Documentation.  (But at $$$)
2.   Multi Portal - Parent - child and other flexible variations out of the box
3.   Data abstraction
4.   Documentation
5.   HTML to ascx Skin processing
6.  Membership provider (Joomla 1.5x)
7.  BSD license over GPL (For our commercial purposes)

Like any custom program if you throw enough hours, cash and resources you can get it to do about anything.

The cons of DNN ( not specific to Joomla)
1.  Stability and Reliability of Releases (No disrespect to anyone)
2.  Out of the Box Polish (Too many embarrasing sites because we provided no eye candy)
3.  Accessibility - Page Validation  

Now to be fair Drupal is probably a better comparison with DNN. None the less this thread inspired me to actually load, install and setup Joomla!.  I set aside an afternoon to roll my sleaves up and all I can say is WOW!   Slick - fast - easy - polished - sexy - powerful!

V1.012 which is at end of life is pretty damn stable...  decent selection of  commercial and free modules and 1400 free templates.  Started testing modules and found the core can be extended to support mutliple portals, groups etc.   The cms concepts in general are pretty similiar with DNN except probably closer to DNN 2.x.  

Cache is disabled out of the box, data abstraction issues and no membership provider model means they too have breaking changes when 1.5x is released.  I did not load 1.5x but noticed in their forums there is no upgrade path.   Breaking Changes *** unconfirmed ***

I like the structure of the  Joomla project site:  wiki, source svn, forums, extensions, easy to join and contribute...  all in all seems efficient and more open as compared to Dotnetnuke Corporation.  GPL/GNU licensing  for commercial distribution is a dangerous proposition for us because our intention is to market and sell a portal system under our brand (ie. Linksys WRT54 routers with Linux and all the 3rd party hacks).  Most people in this community are promoting the DNN brand and its opensource nature so the BSD licensing advantages are mooted.  

June 13th, 2007 by louis.landry
"Three months ago today we launched our new developer forge, http://joomlacode.org...  Today, the three month anniversary of the launch of our new forge has seen us surpass the 700,000 downloads mark. This isn’t for any extensions, just for the base Joomla! download.

We have not released a new version since December of last year, and have hosted the official beta2 from this file release system which does account for over 100,000 of the 700,000 downloads, but it is astounding to note that Joomla! has been downloaded that often in a three month time period where we had no new stable releases."

The numbers speak for themselves. Congratulations to the Joomla! project they certainly have momentum and a nice polished product. For newbies,  non-programmers  and people generally looking for a multipurpose portal that can run out of the box Joomla is hard to beat.   

Update:   For Kicks we redeveloped an event registration and management application that took over 3 months to develop and build in DNN.  It took 2 days with Joomla and an assortment of free 3rd party extensions (civicrm.org)..  Damn impressive results.    

 

 
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7/1/2007 4:07 AM
 

I have to say this thread was an interesting read, but I think I only agree with about 10% of the claims and arguments people are making. Some people are just on here drunk posting. And, I had flash-backs of some of the class wars in the MMO forums (namely WoW and SWG, and I'll laugh if anyone in here understands that).


Jason Honingford - Web & Software Developer
www.PortVista.com
 
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7/1/2007 8:45 AM
 

Agreement and disagreement are what discussion is all about. This thread is a great example of it.

But please refrain from accusing people of "drunk posting". It adds nothing to to the thread and there is no need for name calling.

 
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