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6/8/2007 8:45 AM
 

Shaun,

I greatly appreciate the explanation and it was pretty much exactly what I had expected.  I do really appreciate the promptness in which you were able to resolve the Gemini ticket! 

 


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6/8/2007 9:37 AM
 

Shaun,

With all due respect, you should not be making these types of changes in a vacuum.  These decisions affect everyone involved in the project.
Congratulations on all the achievements, but remember your roots.  You did not get there by not listening to the community that has been promoting, and supporting DotNetNuke for years.

Please do not brush off real concerns as "conspiracy theories".  It is very disrespectful, and although you may not wish to acknowledge it, there are many people who feel this way. They just do not want to offend you and the others in control of the project.

I happen to be in a position where I can freely speak my mind, and let others know how I feel about some of the decisions being made.  I did this very same thing while serving on the core team for over two years, and I am not going to change now. 

If I am being overly critical of your decisions then that is only because I am trying to apply equal force to the opposition.

You and other members of the board (and probably some current core team members) would probably be very happy if I just got fed up and walked away from all this, and believe me I have given that a lot of thought.

On the other hand, I have received countless encouragement from many members of this community (and even some mebers of the current core team) and that brings me right back.

Now, this current thread is about a simple mistake.  I am glad that you owned up to the mistake, but I still see the reasons that you made it as misguided.  You are not going to grow this project any bigger by getting more back links that are not seen by humans.  The Google PR for DotNetNuke.com is already at 8, you are not going to gain a lot by taking it to 9 or 10.  What you might want to be working on is keywords and other optimizations that will help spread your reach outside of the DotNetNuke market.  In other words, it's already a given that you will get on the first page of Google for the term "DotNetNuke".  If you want to extend the reach then a much more effective way of doing that would be to decide on some keywords, and keyword phrases like "Content Management System, CMS, Website Portal" etc.. Then you should change the copyright output from the real back link at the bottom to include text with these keywords or keyword phrases, and also include these keywords in the title tag on the anchor.

As always, these are only my opinions.  Take them or leave them, but don't make me out to be some kind of nut because I believe in what we we have achieved together.

 


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6/8/2007 10:48 AM
 

John,

I don't think it's as much what you say that get's Shaun and other team members a bit riled up, it's usually in how the message is presented.  I have always found them to be very open to constructive criticism and willing to work with the community for the betterment of the project from the start (and we've both been there since the early days).  A voice of "dissent" over certain current release items is good and healthy in a community like this but when the message is put in a ... how should I put this ... aggressive manner, it's does not promote the same civil debate it often should but instead puts people in a more reactionary often defensive state.  That's human nature.  The points you bring up are often valid for constructive, cooperative, community debate.  I don't know that anyone wants to silence you or have you  "go away".  You are a valuable member of the community and prove it on a daily basis here in these forums in fact.  It's just that, in my experience, sensationalism only radicalizes sides and generally not good cooperative healthy debate or results.

My suggestion, which you are free to take or leave, is to back the tone down on items like this just a bit while keeping the same basic content and level of enthusiasm.  As I said, multiple points of view are great in a large community such as this.  Your second third and forth posts on these types of topics are generally better formed in my opinion but it's often your initial attention getting post (which may be intentional) that is the more "agressive.

For instance your post in this thread came off as more sensationalized as opposed to something more like:

I notice there seem to be more and more places in the code where we are linking back to dotnetnuke.com assests. See 1)...., 2)..., 3).....  Could a team member talk a little bit about why this has been done and what direction you see going forward.  I'd like to understand the curreent posistion a little better.  My basic concerns are 1)..., 2)...., ......

Getting a response should not be the goal, working together toward a better outcome should be.

Just my .02

Now back to our regularly scheduled program


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6/8/2007 12:59 PM
 

Thanks for your input Jeremy.  If you see my posts as just me wanting to grab attention for myself, then maybe I do need to try a different approach.

My original post in this thread was just an off-hand comment due to my frustration in not getting any constructive dialogue with the people making these decisions.
If that was too offensive then I apologize. But if it also has the effect of getting the attention of those who make these kinds of decisions, then I can't say that I'll never make a comment like that again. In that case I'll just have to accept the criticism of my approach.

I have to disagree with the thought that getting a response should not be the goal.  It is only through a response that any type of dialogue is established.

Now that we have a little dialogue going here, how do you feel about the original subject of discussion?

I have noticed that there seems to be more and more places in the code where we are linking back to dotnetnuke.com assets and/or places where we might be violating policies.

For example:
      1.)   In SiteMap.ascx.vb there was code added to make the DotNetNuke.com website show in the list of links.
      2.)   The new search features for searching the web includes an embedded Google AdSense ID that belongs to DotNetNuke Corporation.
      3.)   The new DotNetNuke Powered! program is being promoted as a way to build reciprocal recognition, but it is designed in a way that does not reciprocate fairly.

Is there any official policy on how DotNetNuke approaches advertising, so as not to make the application into an AdWare vehicle?

Would any core team member like to talk a little bit about why this was done and what direction you see going forward?

 


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6/8/2007 2:23 PM
 

John,

I know i am not on the core team, but I have been in discussions relating to your items so I thought I would provide my feedback, on things at least from what I have heard.

1.)  I submitted a ticket on this in Gemini the other day, I received notice this morning that it was fixed (removed) and all checked in for 4.5.4 so this shouldn't be an issue at all

2.) This is one that I didn't know about....and I would like to see a change on this as well.  Have you submitted a ticket in Gemini?

3.)  I also understand from comments on a discussion about this the other day that Joe Brinkman and others on the Core team were going to look into this issue to resolve it.

I guess the only thing I would like to add to this discussion is that if you have a legitimate concern with inclorrect functionality then submit a ticket!  It is amazing how quickly Shaun fixed the issue with the Sitemap for 4.5.4 and the only way that you can offically get something noted as a bug is to get it recorded.


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