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1/5/2008 1:44 PM
 

Leazon wrote

Oh, and with regards to SugarCRM - this is a company that has burnt through $26.5 MILLION in venture capital and just got another $14.5 MILLION this week.

$41 MILLION!!  What could DNN have done with that kind of $?

Ouch!

Face it Shaun Walker gave up personal fortune to keep the project on track. Community Server went commercial and I think it hurt them. I think investors would not have allowed DotNetNuke to evolve the way it has.



Michael Washington
http://ADefWebserver.com
www.ADefHelpDesk.com
A Free Open Source DotNetNuke Help Desk Module
 
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1/5/2008 8:42 PM
 

No, I think Shaun gave up short term profits for long term gain. While the project and DNN Corp. has several revenue streams right now (mostly support and custom dev.) I think if the project continues to evolve, improve, and the community continues to grow that there will be several more profit center's uncovered in the future. In today's world economy the companies that are successful are generally those that make a small amount from a huge market. i.e. Wireless phone service, cable TV, broadband, 99 cent songs, Google, Ebay, Wal-mart, etc.). The companies that are still stuck with the old economy (make a lot from a few) structure's are taking it on the chin. i.e. $20,000 social networking sites, unions, automobiles, almost any of the contracting type businesses (construction, HVAC, electrical,etc.), tool & die, etc., etc.

I can imagine that Shaun may look at some the venture capital type companies and cringe but I think he did (and is doing) the right thing. I grew up on a farm too and learned that when you do things that are in other people's best interests instead of just your own it usually comes back to you 10 fold!  Another thing I have noticed is that the majority of the venture capital firms are usually not long for the world.

Greg

 
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1/11/2008 11:29 AM
 

Terp, 

I'm not criticizing or putting down the Joomla camp in any way but there are distinct differences in the "open source" licensing terms from a developers point of view which impacts business decisions.

DNN's BSD license allows for developers to modify, recompile and distribute the software and services as their own branded product and under their own choice of licensing terms.

Just for Example a vertical market application such as a product distributor application providing branded subportals for each dealer/affiliates could be branded / sold or licensed by a developer.  This Turnkey solution would be an asset of the developers business and marketable under what ever licensing scheme they choose.  DNN framework is provided free of restrictions and the derivative work can be released compiled and distributed with or without source code.

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

If you want to distribute, copy or modify Joomla!, you are welcome to do so under the terms of the GNU General Public License . 

The licenses for most software are designed to take away your freedom to share and change it. By contrast, the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software--to make sure the software is free for all its users. This General Public License applies to most of the Free Software Foundation's software and to any other program whose authors commit to using it. (Some other Free Software Foundation software is covered by the GNU Lesser General Public License instead.) You can apply it to your programs, too.

When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things.

To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid anyone to deny you these rights or to ask you to surrender the rights. These restrictions translate to certain responsibilities for you if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it.

For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.

Joomla' GNU/GPL license strives to keep the framework, plug ins, components and modules free of restrictions of any kind what so ever.  Skins, Themes and content are afforded protections to the copy right holder.  DNN licensing provides the business opportunity to brand and develop an asset which you would own all rights to do what you wish... legally of course.  ie.  Sell compiled modules without source, enforce your licensing terms, restrict usage, etc. 

If my business is based on these open source projects subject to their licensing terms, it would be to the benefit of my business to have an asset it would own and control. 

 
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1/14/2008 7:03 PM
 
My 2 cents…
 
DNN modules are absolutely underpriced. My example: I and my brother (two mcsd+mXX, with computer education etc) have decided that we will produce just one highly professional module. Here are costs for half of year: 1 man/year of developing (two developers), marketing 15-20%, support, costs for company - taxes 25%+, computers, office, server, bookkeeping and other costs. This require more than 120K $ income for half of year. We did invest more 90k$ (and therefore have little marketing and no support stuff) in that way in more than a year. Fortunately we have others incomes and we love dnn, because there is no chance to get this many back from snowcovered even if you are number one in half of year - in this case snowcovered=dnn market. For each 100 modules on snowcovered we sell less than 1 module on dotnetnuke market place. We were max. top5 but mostly in top10 list for modules. Now we have module, even v2.0 is now ready, but no chance to get money back. So next step is what? We decided that we will sell same component as webpart (after another 3 months of investment) and we hope for the best…
 
This shows that market is too small and/or modules are underpriced. There is no chance not even for one product (dnn module) that require constant two professional developers with support and all other costs from EU or US region – but professionals from other countries are not so cheap too. That is why there is no one big company offers modules for DNN. This is simply not enough big market (yet). Modules offer just small companies run by individuals or with some little stuff. Situation now: more than 4k modules on market but only top 10-15 are enough for only one professional developer with support and all other costs. There are many solutions: developers mostly produce more modules (but this is why most of modules are low quality) etc. Most of money developers get from complete solutions. When there will be enough big market and/or modules will have enough high price also bigger companies will produce (high quality) modules.
 
Sorry for my English I hope you understand the point
 
Kind regards,
 
Primoz
 
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1/14/2008 11:10 PM
 

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