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6/28/2006 9:39 PM
 
Oops sorry let me make a correction to my #3...since the owners last update all users must register but once registered users can post anonymously if they want. So that’s not exactly example of what I'm talking about--but some people do choose to post anonymously if what they are saying could cause some sort of retribution in the game.
 
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6/28/2006 9:48 PM
 

Its not about being short sighted, that has nothing to do with it. Think of how many here have now come forward asking for this feature. I would say we are now at 5 or 6. This hardly represents the 20% use case (when we strive to achieve an 80%). I am not dismissing this as something SOME people want, I am just saying that right now I cannot justify the amount of change required to make this operate in this manner. There ARE other options even in the free field by using other modules. Its not about being short-sighted, its about using my time wisely.

 


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6/29/2006 12:07 AM
 

I spent a couple of days reading the documentation for the new releases and found a few gems. One of those is found in the Enhancing Membership Roadmap. A new feature to add the ability to provide a Demo user is described and will probably be the way to allow the Forum and anyother module that needs to use it in similar ways, to allow anonymous usage of some functionality.

This has not been implemented yet though. To read about it, look at page 30 of the mentioned document, available in the Documentation zip for the newest versions.


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7/7/2006 5:03 PM
 

Crispy wrote
Its not about being short sighted, that has nothing to do with it. Think of how many here have now come forward asking for this feature. I would say we are now at 5 or 6. This hardly represents the 20% use case (when we strive to achieve an 80%). I am not dismissing this as something SOME people want, I am just saying that right now I cannot justify the amount of change required to make this operate in this manner. There ARE other options even in the free field by using other modules. Its not about being short-sighted, its about using my time wisely.

I wouldn't say it's fair to use the use of these forums as the statistical basis for your decision. My clients manage their own DotNetNuke sites once I have set them up, and none of them would ever venture onto these forums or any other technology oriented forums for that matter.

As you pointed out, there are other forum product options. I am pretty sure every other forum product which can be hosted by DotNetNuke support anonymous posting which I think provides a better statistic for use in evaluating as it is as standard a feature on open source forum products as turn signals are on cars. 

More reasons for wishing to use the Core Forums with Anonymous Posting:

1) Other forum products do not offer a free upgrade path to later versions of DotNetNuke. I recently spent a weekend fixing all the compatibility issues between my client's earlier version of the Active Module's Active Forums product, and it was a real pain in the but. I had to fix the compatibility issues because I had made some custom modifications which couldn't easily be rolled into one of Active Module's upgraded products (which, by they way, Active Forums does offer an upgrade path, just not free, and while I am on the subject, good support and a very capable product which I would enthusiastically implement for a customer in the future). The point is, the source is included with these forums, and theoretically, I don't have to spend 4x the base price to have an upgrade path, when all I have to do is fix a few compilation errors.

2) (this really should have been #1) The Core Forum Code is very likely the best solution of all the options (minus the topic of this discussion): I spent the better part of a whole hour or two stepping through the forum code trying to figure out if I could just make the changes for myself, and was very impressed with the exceptional code throughout. To be honest, I have always been awestruck by this and the Gallery Module code as it is the most elegant VB code I have had the pleasure of working with. I spent a considerable amount of time working in the Gallery project prior to its adoption under the core umbrella when I converted it from DNN 2.x to 3.x, and I have incorporated many of the ideas and techniques I learned from the Gallery module into other projects I have worked with.

This is mainly for Chris P: If I understand correctly, you are the sole person working on this code? I am willing to bet Tam Tran Minh is pretty busy with his other contributions of the Active Directory & Gallery Modules as well as his day job (isn't he the CEO of TTT Company?). If you are currently the best expert in the code and have the highest probability of completing this modification, if someone from the community stepped up to work on some of the other pressing issues, would you be more apt to work on this?

Separately, how many hours per week do you normally contribute to this project? Whatever the amount, your time is most definitely appreciated. Personally, I am having to relearn what having free time is all about, having spent most of the last ten months fighting my daughter's cancer battle, spending most of my spare time with her left little time for helping with this and other worthy projects.

 

 
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7/7/2006 7:00 PM
 

Hi Ken,

My stance is not against making this an option. My stance is against me spending what very little free time I have making it happen when I see 20 other things that take priority over it. I receive plenty of IM's, emails and other forms of communication which still don't add up to the 20% use case and this definately keeps pushing the need for this anonymous posting enhancement down with each new item I see as a problem/bug. To be clear, again, this isn't me saying "I am totally against this and it will never happen" its me simply saying I don't have the time to tackle this because its not high on the priority list based on community feedback. The things that I spend my time on are what is high on the priority list based on community feedback.

As for the forums module participation, I would say that in the last 7 months there has been less than 10 code checkins that were not me. (Well, add another 5-10 for Shaun W as he pioneered two enhancements). If you follow this module that should give you some idea of how much I work on this. I do not want to take anything away from my team here as I too really understand how important freetime is and how very little of it most of us have. I also take blame that I don't do much aside from emails going out to manage the project better than I currently do. The time I spend on the project varies depending on my work load, the books I am writing, my core commitments, how much time I spend on gallery and how long it has been since I released a version. Over the past few weeks I have spent about 5 hours a week on the module but in the past have spent as much as 30 and as little as none. In addition to that, I tend to spend about 2-4 hours a week consistently supporting the module via these forums, IM and visiting other sites to help as well. (I have been traveling for work and trying to crank out the Dummies book so support has been down the past month or so, but I have released 3 versions of the module in that time).

My main goal right now is to stabalize the current release a bit more and shift focus to gallery for a bit, this also is a factor in the anonymous posting support. That said, I am not oppossed to outside support but there are certain criterium (such as the ability to enable/disable this feature) that I would require. I am not requiring it to be a ball buster, but to make sure the project as a whole moves forward in positive way.  I do want to add that Will makes a great module w/ Active Forums but I have never looked at his code and only used it as a user. This module was never made to compete with commercial products but I do understand that it does. I personally will never use Active Forums, not because it is a bad product but because basically this is 'my code' if you know what I mean. Between that and us using it here, this module will continue to move forward and will hopefully be the premiere forum module for DotNetNuke.

I am not posting this to encourage people to like me, I am doing so with the hope that they will understand the walls I face on a daily/weekly basis with this module. I also wanted to say I hope only the best for your daughter and I hope she is on a speedy path to recovery.

Thanks for listening,

Chris P. 


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