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2/9/2009 9:42 PM
 

Who am I:

I am a proficient DNN user from the 3.X days as many of us are. I currently run 18 DNN sites on my server. I am very versed in all manners of installs and DNN mgmt (except upgrades, I suck at that). Very few problems to date.
 
Here is my configuration:
Web Server – IBM, 8 processor, 16gig Ram, 1TB HD Raid
SQL - SQL 2005 Enterprise
OS – Windows Server 2003 Enterprise 64 bit
DNS – Host my own DNS
DNN – 4.5.01 (14 sites DNN 4.5.01, 4 sites DNN 4.4.0)
Firewall/Router – Microsoft ISA 2006 using NAT
IP addressing – Single public static IP address. All 18 hosted sites are using NAT to private addresses behind the ISA server.
 
Here is my situation:
I can setup a new DNN install of v.4.5.01 or earlier using the exact configuration listed above, with either the custom, typical, or legacy installation and it works (partially). I can login to the new install. However, I cannot go to Host settings or Admin settings because the URL reverts to my internal private NAT’ed address. For example:
When I first login I have a URL of - http://www.liveonlinedemo.com/default.aspx
When I try to go to Host settings or Admin settings my URL changes to – http://10.8.x.x/default.aspx?tabid.....etc........Reverting to the private addressing in the URL instead of the fully qualified domain name (FQDN). I then have to remote into my server, login to DNN locally to be able to access host settings and turn off Friendly URL’s. When I do this I no longer get URL’s with internal addresses. I get URL’s with FQDN only. Once I discovered this, I posted my findings to this forum. So that is no problem. I found a work around using version 4.5.01.
 
I recently started playing with version 4.91 and version 5.0. I discovered the same symptoms regarding URL’s with private addresses instead of FQDN’s. So I proceeded to turn of Friendly URL’s. It appeared to provide me the same results as with version 4.5.01. However, once I go to Host settings or Admin settings, make any change I desire and I hit the “update” button, my session times out because it wants to revert to a URL with a private address. I can go back to the page and the changes took place, however there is a problem with private addressing.
For example:
When I first login, I have a URL of - http://www.liveonlinedemo.com/default.aspx
When I go to Admin settings or Host settings, make a change and hit "update", I get a URL of - http://10.8.3.51/default.aspx?tabid........
I then tried versions 4.6.x, 4.7.x and 4.8.x with the same results. The only version that does not do this is version 4.5.01 and before.
My alias always is set to the internal private address, not the FQDN.
I have also added after the install the FQDN of www.liveonlinedemo.com.
Same results even after the new alias is added.
Why is there a problem now with DNN and NAT’ed addresses?
There wasn’t an issue with this before once the Friendly URL workaround was in place.
 
LOGIN AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. It might help you understand better than reading my long description.
I know this is confusing, so I have setup a demo site to illustrate what is happening.
Please login and test out my problem.
This DNN site is running 4.8.04 on the same server I have listed above.
username: admin
password: password
 
Follow my instructions listed above and you will see what is happening.
I will take any and all suggestions, trials or configurations. I am not above making any change necessary to get this resolved. I love DNN and do not want to change to other open source portal frameworks due to this issue. I know the DNN community can solve this problem.
Developers, please help me!!! Any advanced user….. please help me!!
I can’t be the only one hosting sites using NAT instead of public IP’s for each site.
 
Thanks in advance for community assistance.
 
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2/9/2009 10:10 PM
 

a) What happens if you make sure in portal aliases:
that the FQDN is listed at the top pf the portal alias list? and that the local IP is listed at the bottom.

b) Same as a - but the other way around.

c) What happens if you just have the FQDN as a portal alias?

d) If you need to use the site internally as well as externally why not get www.liveonlinedemo.com to point to your local IP by changing your DNS zone? Or even vice versa in other scenarios.

e) What firewall are you using for your server? If you are using ISA Server for instance I think there are certain NAT exclusions you possibly need to consider.

You said you tried 4.9.1/DNN5, was this an upgrade or a clean install? Try a clean install and see what happens.

If this issue persists and you want to solve this once and for all I would suggest:

Wait for DNN 5.0.1 and/or 4.9.2 comes out.
Put up an online demo like you have done, (make sure you don't configure the SMTP server!).

Log the issue at support.dotnetnuke.com (the issue as it is at the moment would get rejected as there is no evidence that the issue can be reproduced using the latest version).



Alex Shirley


 
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2/9/2009 10:26 PM
 

Also what is in your IIS host headers?
Check your domain name records and makes sure everything is in order (maybe check what happens if you use a different domain name?)



Alex Shirley


 
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2/10/2009 10:51 AM
 

Alex,

Thank you so much for your quick response.
Let me answer all your questions clearly so maybe you can help me find a resolution.
 
Answer to final post first:
I do not use host headers. I use separate internal IP addresses for each site. This avoids host headers altogether. My server is multihomed; multiple NICS with multiple IP addresses assigned.
 
I will try the DNN installation on another FQDN name today to see what happens.
 
All other DNS records look OK compared to my other settings.
For troubleshooting, I setup DNN 4.5.1 on www.liveonlinedemo.com and had no problems. I did not change any DNS settings, or firewall settings. This is what believes me to think some coding has changed in later versions.
 
Answers to first post:
 
Answer to A:
I have manually added the FQDN to the alias table. In order for me to make it first on the list, I have to modify the portalalias table in SQL. Even when I do this, I get the same result. URL’s contain private IP addresses when “updating” admin or host settings.
 
Answer to B:
Same result
 
Answer to C:
With only the FQDN as the alias, I can no longer access the site from outside the local network. Obviously I can access it from the local network.
 
Answer to D:
Not sure I understand. Sorry. I host my own DNS for public query. I currently have www.liveonlinedemo.com pointed to my public IP address on my firewall. Are you saying create an alias or new internal zone to point my FQDN to the local address? Not sure that would help my external access. Internally, I have no problems because I am on the same subnet.
 
Answer to E:
Yes. I am using ISA 2006. I am not aware of any NAT exclusions that should be set as I do not have this problem using DNN 4.5.1 or earlier versions. My DNS, ISA setups are the same for my DNN 4.5.1 installations and my new test installations with versions 5.0 and 4.9.1.
 
All my installs are clean installs, never upgrades. (I never have any good luck with upgrades. I know that is just me not understanding how to properly perform an upgrade)
 
I appreciate the reminder. I would never configure my SMTP server for public demo.
Could I not submit my problem to support.dotnetnuke.com using version 5.0 or 4.91 since they are the latest versions out?
I can quickly setup new DNN istallations with no problem.
 
Thanks again Alex......
 
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2/10/2009 1:57 PM
 

Well I'd have a go at IIS host header just to see if it resolves the issue and check your domain name records are set up correctly.

Make sure ISA definately thinks that 10.8.3.x is internal. I've had some gotchas like this in the past.

You might want to do a bit of googling, I did and came up with loads of info (probably far too much) so it is a bit of a needle in the haystack.

Any one else might know what is going on here?



Alex Shirley


 
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