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www.berrydigital.com.au
Joined: 1/23/2004
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Lee, tell me this isn't going to be your only topic for the next 12 months. I'm as enthusiastic as the next but this posting of links to your work all the time is getting a little bit keen.
I will tell you that in all the work I get asked about, no one asks about CSS and XHTML compliancy, unless it's a designer who went to do a multimedia course and was forced to some XHTML compliant site. In fact, the teacher on this project in particular has forced the students to a frameset that's XHTML compliant.. for what reason I have no idea..
But my point is.. I've posted in forums before about my view on all this - and while I am no means an expert in every field, I'm looking at DNN right down the line from installing, hosting, advising, assisting, learning, you name it, and I think you need to also get this into perspective as well.
So please in your enthusiasm, could you also remember this is a forum to assist people, not to drive people to your site to buy your tutorials. I mean, if you were so keen to really make a difference, why not offer them for free for us all to benefit from??? 
Nina Meiers
Nina Meiers My Little Website
If it's on DNN, I fix, build, deploy, support,skin, host, design, consult, implement, integrate and done since 2003.
Who am I? Just a city chic, having a crack at organic berry farming.. and creating awesome websites.
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www.dnncreative.com
Joined: 9/26/2005
Posts: 317
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Nina, not once have I posted a link here saying watch this tutorial and subscribe, the last link goes to a skin demo page where you can see the results of the validation tutorial by Tim. - The tutorial I am mentioning over and over in this post is the tutorial by Tim on Tims site not mine. I am conscious of not answering posts and saying watch this tutorial and subscribe. - The only links to articles in my first response on this thread were to free articles. There are 114 video tutorials on my site for $39 I think that pretty much is for free, when everyone else is selling a single video on snowcovered for $18 and you yourself are selling a pdf on skinning in the $35 region. - I don't want to get into a free tutorial debate, I'm trying to contribute to the community in a postive way, the only way I can find the free time to create tutorials is to work full time at it and build up a good collection of varied material. - This ranges from admin, setting up, installing, rss, skinning etc etc. I maybe replying very quickly to these posts, but that is because it is something I am passionate about  and if it takes 12 months for the community to listen, so be it For a different link then, (not in anyway related to me) and further research check out the podcasts on www.boagworld.comThey talk through accessibility, validation and how their clients in the big corporate world are asking for triple A compliance etc. - you may not have been asked for a compliant site yet, but my point is it will happen sooner or later.
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Joined: 4/11/2006
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nina wroteYou'll find Trond Rund is looking to fork DNN. He hopes that there will be enough support from other DNN members to support his own personal project, as his motiviation is purely personal. I have conversed with him and was under the impression based on his posts he was going to turn the world upside down by providing solutions.
I offered to work with him in this area since he seems present his knowledge rather vocally. He indicated he wasn't really interested, yet blatantly states here that we need to listen. I didn't just listen, I responded to his obvious interest and found his comments appear contradictory. Unless of course he's looking for other core team members.
He's more interested in doing a DNN fork, and building a feature rich product for his own purpose, and I'm still waiting for some great proof of all his talents. As far as I can see here, I'm looking very hard for your examples, areas of expertiese you believe you have, instead of whining and whinging on these forums.
You are anonymous, no identity, no website to my knowledge, and your explicit comments about wanting to fork DNN and divide the community, get a few people to muster up enough interest to help you with your own project, rather than offering to extend DNN for others to enjoy, simply make this a hardly credible thread.
Oh.. and by the way- March 11 post by you
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I will get to work, and keep working over the weekend. Hopefully I will have lots of great skins done when moday morning comes. And now they will validate. Fast loading time will get a new meaning, along with a much more usefriendly design. I will link your page for all the sites I will put up using your tutorial. And I will try to drink less beer this month so I can make a donation to you. Fantastic!
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Which Monday was that?
Please don't discredit the very talented and generouse DNN community, our forum readers, those who genuinely try to contribut in any way we can, with //EDITED POST// NO money in return and expect to be welcomed with open arms. I personally emailed you to see where we could make some changes, which you rejected. So don't say no one listens.
Trond, perhaps I have to admit.. php and MySQL are good for some..
Nina Meiers Wel to start with the firts part first. When I started using Dot Net Nuke, I had no intention of making oa fork. Nither did I have it when I started out using css skins. I posted a few post that got low responses, and I thought that if nobidt here cares about valid output code, then there is two choiches really. 1 is to accept the fact, and work without valid output code. 2 was to create a fork. I said that people interrested in making a brain cluster could pm me and we could work togheter. To you I said I needed valid output code. And if nothing else I would try to make a fork. I also todl yu making a fork, was the last resort, cause the fork would miss out on the great brainpower of Dot Net Nuke, but you seem to have forgotten to mentioned that  Since then we have had O'Briens great tutorial on how to make that part a reallity. Hence no reasson to make a fork, is it? I was just being honest with you during our pm's, and I was so honest that I said I had no high motive for making this, it was what I needed, and I would try to make that happen. I can be verry dedicated when I out that hat on-) And I told you I was not into working with people that kept following the path of Dot Net Nuke with unvalid output code, because that path was something i would like see change. You would benfit more from having others working with you, as I told you. The reason I do not have a website is merly simple, I am a student, and have spend to much money on skiing trips and beers to pay my hosting bills, so they closed it. Me being a student do not really make it importent for me to actually have a website, I work just as well on my server at home. And where you say I try to "muster up" people to get them to join me, well I guess my posts in the two threads that I linked in the initial post here, prove that one wrong. I am just trying to raise my voice, and speak up about a shortcoming in a otherwise great framework. I will finish this post by saying that I also find it strange reading all post on the asp.net forum where forks are mentioned. The people that have mentioned forks are look at like they are insane, or a pariacast. Why is that? In the Linux world, forks come to life every singel day. And they are welcomed. Forks bring new perspective on old problems, and I assure you many times both the fork and the initial project have benfitted from a fork. In fact, many of the largest communties todays are excisting because of a fork, just like Dot Net Nuke does. Dot Net Nuke was also a fork, a long time ago. And are we so thouchy that we need to end all post on the forum with a praise to the coreteam? I am sure they know what hard work they have put into the framework, and what hard work will come. I have showed no disrespct to the coreteam. In fact, I have stated that they do a super job, and I will say it again, but sometimes I for once do not agree, and valid output code is one thing I am set on. That goes for the core, as well as thrid party modules. And sure, tables do validate, so people can still use tables even with xhtml valid output code.
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Joined: 4/11/2006
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Well I got the feeling that sometimes people on the core team are happy with the way things are, and are not looking into making these changes.
But we might see a new day after O'Brien's tutorial. I do not know why the core team made a choice to write the code the way it is written at this point, but what I learned from the tutoial is that it can be an easy task of changing that. However I must say that ihave not yet explored this any further, so I do not know if other modules will axcept the trasition so easy.
But with enough brainpower we can manage that tast, and make sure the framework will validate.
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www.berrydigital.com.au
Joined: 1/23/2004
Posts: 1961
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I try very hard to be diplomatic, patient and considerate with every single person who posts questions on here, no matter their country, their experience and type of question, but I do find it rather frustrating with posts like this being raised, often in almost an antagonistic manner to not really assist, but to complain. I don't need you to praise me, and not sure where you pick up this idea we're touchy as I think I'm patient, but I sometimes wish that a little more time was thought into how some comments. were posted. Some are just complaints... no answers, just complaints and comments about the fact that other products are better and we should be.
I mean...do you honestly think that the core team developers don't know there are things that are not perfect? These developers spend a long time going over issues that are relevant at the time, and the repercussions of change. The discussion that takes place is quite intense, comprehensive to consider the repercussions on others who are now using
The reality is, changing everything to make it compliant in your eyes is not easy. It's not about 2 or 3 modules, believe me if it was, it would be done, and you would be coding away happily in your compliant code.
There has been ongoing discussion regarding this, for quite some time. I suppose if they honestly didn't care about module developers, they could make these changes, but it would be a code breaking change. A BIG code breaking change. Now, we've got plenty of other issues with DNN that need resolving, from installation, through to caching, which are big concerns to all the developers.
It's not that none of these items are important, but they get prioritised and at the end of the day the decisions that are made have been usually under great discussion for quite some time and for what it's worth, the longer I see how developers work, the more respect I have for them, since as the project as become bigger, the ripple affect with changes is huge.
Anyway - I'm not really annoyed in spite of my direct method of answering, I just say things as I see them, and believe me.. I'm not alone in many of my comments.. I can just type faster! 
Nina Meiers
Nina Meiers My Little Website
If it's on DNN, I fix, build, deploy, support,skin, host, design, consult, implement, integrate and done since 2003.
Who am I? Just a city chic, having a crack at organic berry farming.. and creating awesome websites.
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