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12/16/2009 7:04 PM
 

AspDotNetStorefront Staff - Scott wrote

PCI compliance is for pretty much anyone wanting to get a merchant account.

AFAIK it affects US users only.


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12/18/2009 7:47 AM
 

Indeed, PCI compliance is for everyone who wants a merchant account (at least in the US).  But quit the scare tactics (and ASPDNSF has been using them for years).   I have gotten a merchant account recently and went through the compliance questionnaire for the ML/DNN product.  I also went to the PCI site myself to figure out what was necessary to comply, even though ML/DNN "couldn't" get PA/DSS.   Be real, from a merchant perspective, the rules aren't more than common sense.  Let Authorize.net store the credit card data and you're fine (yes, you need SSL etc).  Authorize.net isn't a "boomerang" so it meets your criteria.

Next, I really believe that if you had also taken a common sense approach to the PA/DSS issue, you could have gotten around that without explicit cooperation from DNN corp!   Stuff like "Don't use default id/passwords on the site".  Come on, any hacker knows the default host/portal ids (hope you do too).  A high schooler also knows how to query the database for them and remove them!   During installation you check...does the site still have the default host/portal ids?   If so, scare the user, tell them they can't be PCI compliant with that and that the install will stop unless you agree to remove them.   Then, SQL query poof!  Not difficult!   If you felt that more security needed to occur on the Admin site, you could have had a second log in for that...it's your app, you could have whatever encryption you wanted there.  Customers shouldn't have needed this level of security so it wouldn't have affected core DNN.   Security on 'private data" (name/address etc)?   We think you could have managed that through an extra routine, but that doesn't seem required by PA/DSS...just the PAN and other credit card info - which, by the way, I don't store in the database!

Why, in 4 years you guys couldn't figure this stuff out, I don't know.   But I wish you had thought about it before you dragged your customers through the mud.

 
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12/18/2009 12:33 PM
 

I have a merchant account that I got years ago. I never went through any PCI compliance requirements. I wonder when this started and whether it's actually required for every site which handles VISA.

 
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12/21/2009 1:55 AM
 

I was at the round-table meeting at the end of the OpenForce conference this year, when this very question came up, directed towards the DNN core team.   Joe Brinkman spoke for a while on the topic, and while I'm no expert in this area, his responses seemed entirely reasonable to me.  I don't recall the exact details but I think the main theme was : we can't get compliance because the base DNN install doesn't do the things needed.  In other words, you can't get certfication for a platform which doesn't even do the thing certification is for.  Or, trying again, DNN isnt' an e-commerce platform out of the box, so you can't certify it as one.  In addition, since many DNN installs contain a variety of installed code, each certification has to be done on a case by case basis.

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong on this one.  It was a while ago and at the end of a conference on a topic I'm only tangenitally interested in.

To me it seems as though the certification issue is being used as a good reason for exiting the DNN ASPDNSF product range.  It hasn't been the happiest of marriages (I know I've spent countless hours helping people get their sites going) and I suspect both camps are happy to go their separate ways.

It would also seem reasonable to me that a checklist-style procedure could be developed for obtaining certification regardless of the platform.   If that means deleting the standard host/admin accounts, then I don't see why this can't be procedurised. But again, I'm talking out of my knowledge depth so perhaps someone more qualified than I shoudl contribute on this point.

 
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12/21/2009 2:01 PM
 

 Bruce, I totally agree with you. I am pretty sure they use the compliance issue JUST for a reason to end the product.  I am the dnn version customer of aspdotnetstorefront since it newly come out and they never do it right. However, they are trying to charge an unreasonable high price for a product that never really perfectly working. I am dump enough to buy it with that "unreasonable price tag " and become the white elephant of keep submitting bugs. The product will be really strong and powerful if they could make it issueless and prefectly married with dotnetnuke. However, they just can't come to that point. I would assume because of lack of development strength and the sales of the product is not expectedly good.  

End of the story. They should not start selling the product with so many bugs exist. They start selling it with expectation that customer will provide free bug report and also provide development cost. Because full of issue product with high price tags, bad review shows up from those initial customers. It badly hit the sales of the product. Because of bad sales and they do not have the ability to make their dnn version run flawlessly, they just simply break the promise to all those loyal initial customer (including me) and end the product life with simply put a compliance issue and point finger to dnn. (protect their image)

I am not sure what should I do since I already develop the product for so long. Until now, they don even come out a version which support dnn 5. 

 
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